Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Generali

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

It's a good job that Scottish politics is directing the way of better reflection for the electorate then isn't it?

Could you rephase ?

CLAPTON

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

It's a good job that Scottish politics is directing the way of better reflection for the electorate then isn't it?

Interesting that the UK seems to be moving to a more multi party, coalition style of government, whilst Scotland is moving to a one party state.
Probably another example of greater 'fairness and reduction in inequality ' in Scotland.

kabayiri

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

I believe the polls are showing a 1% difference between Cons and Labour.
Of course, I'm unsure how this will reflect in seats

Isn't it that the largest party get first crack?

They covered this on Daily Politics.

I think the key term I mentioned above is "Mr Cameron" and not "the Conservatives".

I might be wrong on this, but ...

Mr Cameron as the previous PM in residence gets to go to the Queen and present whatever workable arrangement he can come up with.

This might not get ascent of course, and this is when the other options come into play.

I think the key issue is coming up with a workable Parliament, which isn't quite the same as a formal Coallition as we have had.

A government led by a minority Labour party relying on informal support could be an option. There may be many pressures on such a government, not least a negative market response putting pressure on short term rates. We could end up with another election within a year.

I think the minority parties in any governing arrangement would have to play a very clever game - making deals in backroom offices - whilst appealing to the public gallery. This is possibly where someone like Alex Salmond feels he has an edge. Few people would deny he is a canny operator.

Castle

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

I believe the polls are showing a 1% difference between Cons and Labour.
Of course, I'm unsure how this will reflect in seats

Isn't it that the largest party get first crack?

The current prime minster gets first crack at forming a government if there's no winner such as Edward Heath tried in 1974. The Tories had (297 seats) and tried to form a coalition with the Liberals (14 seats); whilst Labour (301) waited.

In 2010 Tories had 48 more seats than Labour, so whilst Gordon Brown attempted to form a "rainbow coalition" it was doomed to start with.

IveSeenTheLight

CLAPTON wrote: »

Interesting that the UK seems to be moving to a more multi party, coalition style of government, whilst Scotland is moving to a one party state.
Probably another example of greater 'fairness and reduction in inequality ' in Scotland.

It's the electorate which is determining a multi party / coalition governments.

In Scotland they tried to draw up the constituencies to try and ensure that the electorates voice here was diluted across the parties, however Scotland voice is becoming sync'ed as the UK government is not fulfilling the promises it gave last year.

No doubt, once that voice is heard, we may return in the future to considering more the other parties pledges.

At the moment, we just don;t believe they will be fulfilled.

CLAPTON

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

It's the electorate which is determining a multi party / coalition governments.

In Scotland they tried to draw up the constituencies to try and ensure that the electorates voice here was diluted across the parties, however Scotland voice is becoming sync'ed as the UK government is not fulfilling the promises it gave last year.

No doubt, once that voice is heard, we may return in the future to considering more the other parties pledges.

At the moment, we just don;t believe they will be fulfilled.

which pledge is that
the one to treat all the people of the UK fairly and equally?

IveSeenTheLight

kabayiri wrote: »

A government led by a minority Labour party relying on informal support could be an option. There may be many pressures on such a government, not least a negative market response putting pressure on short term rates. We could end up with another election within a year.

I think the minority parties in any governing arrangement would have to play a very clever game - making deals in backroom offices - whilst appealing to the public gallery. This is possibly where someone like Alex Salmond feels he has an edge. Few people would deny he is a canny operator.

Certainly we saw a minority government succeed from 2007 in Scotland and you are correct that that government needs to interact across all members of the Parliament to get an agreed concensus.

It can work though, if the right application is carried out.

IveSeenTheLight

CLAPTON wrote: »

which pledge is that
the one to treat all the people of the UK fairly and equally?

I don;t really want to go back to the referendum debate as it's in the past.

Isn't it interesting that ALL of the major politicians fighting for the union a year ago have interestingly stepped down / in process of stepping down after they succeeded.

Johann Lamont - Scottish Labour Leader
Anas Sarwar - Deputy Scottish Labour Leader
Alastair Darling - leader of the pro-UK Better Together referendum campaign
Gordon Brown - Former PM, brought in to swing the vote

Why didn't they want to follow through on their pledges?

Why have they all stepped down from roles they were fighting for the electorate to vote for?

Interestingly Johann Lamont stepped down within a month of the referendum citing: -

some of her Westminster colleagues as dinosaurs who do not understand the politics they are facing since the referendum.

At the end of a week in which two former Labour first ministers expressed grave concerns about the future of the party, Lamont accused colleagues of trying to run Scotland “like a branch office of London”.

wiltsguy_2

is it just me or does Nicola Strurgeon look like Rab C Nesbit's wife? :rotfl:

CLAPTON

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

I don;t really want to go back to the referendum debate as it's in the past.

Isn't it interesting that ALL of the major politicians fighting for the union a year ago have interestingly stepped down / in process of stepping down after they succeeded.

Johann Lamont - Scottish Labour Leader
Anas Sarwar - Deputy Scottish Labour Leader
Alastair Darling - leader of the pro-UK Better Together referendum campaign
Gordon Brown - Former PM, brought in to swing the vote

Why didn't they want to follow through on their pledges?

Why have they all stepped down from roles they were fighting for the electorate to vote for?

Interestingly Johann Lamont stepped down within a month of the referendum citing: -

why does it matter that failed politicians have stepped down


more important is the future

is the key pledge to provide equality amoungst all the people of the UK or continue the corrupt and immoral practice of subsidising the Scots unfairly