Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Enterprise_1701C

kabayiri wrote: »

Mr Milliband was asked about doing a deal with the SNP the other day and ruled it out. Perhaps he understands how the voters might see this as a risk.

The problem being that no-one actually believes him.

He stabbed his brother in the back to become leader, and he then promptly stabbed the very people that made him leader (the unions) in the back when he got in. How can we possibly believe a word that comes out of his mouth.

NYM

Milliband is a marionette. Those pulling the strings (and if the article in the DM is correct)..will be Len McCluskey and Nicola Sturgeon

Froggitt

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

The problem being that no-one actually believes him.

He stabbed his brother in the back to become leader, and he then promptly stabbed the very people that made him leader (the unions) in the back when he got in. How can we possibly believe a word that comes out of his mouth.

One day the unions will realise that the Labour Party is no longer their poodle, as they want a chance of being elected every now and again.


Maybe they will check out Scargill's potty manifesto. Minimum wage of £25k (doesn't say who will be financing it and how many jobs would be lost) and withdrawing from the EU to save £170bn a year......that'll pay for a few more nurses wont it!!! And top rate of tax of 90%......as if anyone would be sticking around to pay that level of tax.

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

As far as the rant about how bad the SNP are being treated, Shakey, you had better get used to it - if SNP politicians say daft, aggressive things, they will be pilloried.

Sturgeon's involvement in UK politics as the person who expects to conduct negotiations between the Westminster MPs and the Labour party (in the event of such being discussed) is gross and illegitimate (IMHO) and also, actually, rather silly, nenegrating as it does the standing of the SNP MPs. It's normal, I suppose, that politicians get too full of themselves when they get a whiff of power. One could reel off a list of such people, from Thatcher to Putin, not that she has that stature.

Ah right, so you've distilled your own personal bile down to just Nicola Sturgeon then ? Nothing else. Angus Robertston and Stuart Hosie will be the main leaders in Westminster. Nicola will have to be involved as she's the leader of the entire party ?

Put it this way, Miliband wasn't long slapping Jim Murphy, leader of Scottish Labour, down for promising all sorts of things off his own back to the Scottish Govt. When it's Miliband ( who doesn't have any involvment in Holyrood ) who leads Labour. What goes around comes around. Murphy isn't even an MSP and can't even access Holyrood without a visitors pass.

Anyway there's seems to be growing disbelief at the decidedly undemocratic nasty turn this election campaign has taken. Cameron is indeed playing a very dangerous game in trying to lure those kippers ( his last chance to turn the polls round ) back into the fold.

I'm not ranting either. If this narrative ensures more in the way of SNP support then why would I rant about it. Because that's exactly how it's playing in Scotland I can assure you.

The temper tantrums are beginning. No one, Labour or Tory, seems to be able to accept that people in Scotland will vote for the party they want to represent them, and they continue to portray democracy in action as an actual threat to democracy. Tories and Lib Dems are preparing to challenge a Labour-SNP alliance as unconstitutional. That will be chaos. By claiming such a state of affairs to be illegitimate they are pushing Scotland to vote yes in any future referendum.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/22/tories-panicking-david-cameron-election

The next thing the Conservatives should explain is what Ed Miliband is supposed to do with all these SNP people likely to be elected. He’s already said there won’t be a coalition, but that doesn’t seem to be enough. Cameron’s demand appears to be that whenever an SNP member speaks in the House of Commons, Labour not only ignores them, but plays a compilation of drum ‘n’ bass tracks, while Miliband shouts, “These next beats going out to all da English in da house,” to show they don’t recognise the SNP coup.

..You can understand the mistake, as he’s desperate to preserve the United Kingdom, and one way to ensure you retain the support of the Scottish for the union is to spend two years begging them to stay part of the British parliament, then insist no one should even speak to the grubby sods they elect to it...

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/general-election-2015-an-snp-takeover-whatever-happened-to-democracy-10196366.html

Shakethedisease

Froggitt wrote: »

Unfortunately yes. However Dave is quite within his rights to point out how 2% of the electorate could hold Westminster to ransom, and maybe a Labour/SNP "deal" might not be the best outcome for the country.

What exactly would be be able to do about it though ? If neither Labour or Conservatives can muster enough support in England to claim a majority. Then that's just tough. And certainly isn't down to the SNP.

scott_lithgows

Perhaps a grand coalition? No Scots in the cabinet though-as Scottish Labour told us......."We’re not genetically programmed in Scotland to make political decisions"

skintmacflint

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Anyway there's seems to be growing disbelief at the decidedly undemocratic nasty turn this election campaign has taken. Cameron is indeed playing a very dangerous game in trying to lure those kippers ( his last chance to turn the polls round ) back into the fold.

I'm not ranting either. If this narrative ensures more in the way of SNP support then why would I rant about it. Because that's exactly how it's playing in Scotland I can assure you.

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Don't be so melodramatic. Lol.

You forget Scotland has had to listen to 2 years of vitriolic abuse from SNP towards Westminster up here. Iit's water off a ducks back for thousands of us now. Not to mention the fact we tend to agree SNP will not be good in Westminster for the UK.

Nevr mind that's another 2 lifelong Labour voters who told me they intend to vote Conservative at Holyrood next year. That makes 4 just this week.

Most people up here are enjoying the sunshine, not frothing like you over press articles about SNP.

cepheus

A deal between the SNP and Labour looks easier than ever to strike – here’s why

https://theconversation.com/a-deal-between-the-snp-and-labour-looks-easier-than-ever-to-strike-heres-why-40567

CLAPTON

cepheus wrote: »

A deal between the SNP and Labour looks easier than ever to strike – here’s why

https://theconversation.com/a-deal-between-the-snp-and-labour-looks-easier-than-ever-to-strike-heres-why-40567

absolutely that are a match made in hell

both want to borrow more
both want to borrow more
both want to borrow more

their only policy: which oddly doesn't seem to get mentioned very often

SNP will be the winner as they want to leave the union and default on the debts

what could go wrong?

Shakethedisease

skintmacflint wrote: »

Don't be so melodramatic. Lol.

You forget Scotland has had to listen to 2 years of vitriolic abuse from SNP towards Westminster up here. Iit's water off a ducks back for thousands of us now. Not to mention the fact we tend to agree SNP will not be good in Westminster for the UK.

Nevr mind that's another 2 lifelong Labour voters who told me they intend to vote Conservative at Holyrood next year. That makes 4 just this week.

Most people up here are enjoying the sunshine, not frothing like you over press articles about SNP.

Err, you've missed the point. It isn't me that's writing about it in newspapers frothing as you call it. It's in the main, English political commentators and Alex Massie ( staunch unionist ). Feel free to apply the 'melodramatic' label to them if you wish. But in this case your 'lol's' are misplaced towards me am afraid.

Playing the anti-Scotland card is Cameron’s desperate last resort.But the numbers won’t budge. They dismissed Ed Miliband as hopeless, but his ratings are climbing.
So now they’ve fallen back on a brazen attempt to inflame English nationalism and turn Britain’s peoples against one another. Cheerled by a Conservative press largely owned by tax-dodging overseas plutocrats, the Tories claim the English would be held to ransom under a Miliband government dependent on SNP support. The Scots, who were begged to stay in the union during last year’s referendum, are now portrayed as some kind of foreign menace.


But the SNP ship has sailed. And the idea that nationalist support would make a minority Labour government “illegitimate” – let alone that this would be the first time such a thing has happened, as Cameron claimed at the weekend – is ridiculous...
..And Labour governments have regularly relied on the Irish nationalist SDLP, even though the party wants to “break up the UK”.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/22/anti-scotland-cameron-last-resort-snp


Lifelong Labour to Conservative ? That sounds a little far fetched. Especially in regards to Holyrood. Where the PR system means tactical voting is very confusing, and liable to backfire massively. But hey, if it makes you feel better.


I was certainly out enjoying the sunshine yesterday and today with my family, don't worry. I don't live in a cave.