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Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies
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IveSeenTheLight wrote: »Like it or not, the SNP have the 3rd largest party membership, ahead of Lib Dems and UKIP
Even the Greens have a larger membership than UKIP and the Lib Dems.
In fact, the SNP party membership is twice that if the UKIP.
Not bad for a party which is not UK wide.
Therefore, the SNP and Greens should have a platform to articulate with the electorate.
Like it or not, other provincial parties such as Plaid Cymru membership is also increasing and they openly are aligning themselves and following Scotland's lead
Like it or not, if the SNP attains a significant MP base at Westminster that could impact the ability for a government to be formed, there will be discussions to be had
Like it or not, the political landscape is changing and the old two party race is likely to be long gong. Maybe proportional representation is a better option to represent the electorates wishes
One thing for sure that is refreshing as a result of the referendum, is that interest in politics is increasing and the electorate needs to be satisfied more as a result.
Party membership means !!!! all.
What matters is that the party with the 6th largest number of votes appears to plan to wreck the Governance of the UK.
Like it or not, if you get 2% of the votes you should get 2% of the influence. I expect that there will be a bounce in the Tory vote towards the end of the campaign as people realise the threat that the SNP represents to the people of the UK.
If the SNP gets what they profess to want (FFA or independence) then they will bankrupt Scotland. If they do what they claimed to want to do they will bankrupt the entire country.
I can't see any way that the SNP can be in power with the unionist parties for more than a few months.0 -
I can't see any way that the SNP can be in power with the unionist parties for more than a few months.
I don't think they will form a coalition with Labour.
They have already shown how a minority government can succeed and are willing to work with Labour on key policies.:wall:
What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
Some men you just can't reach.
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One other idle thought... with the SNP it's all about more government spending for Scotland. Never about less tax burden for Scotland.
And in the long run, the former will probably damage the economy by making it every more statist and inflexible, whilst the latter would address the sustainability of Scotland's economy by allowing them to earn their way out of their deficit.0 -
IveSeenTheLight wrote: »I don't think they will form a coalition with Labour.
They have already shown how a minority government can succeed and are willing to work with Labour on key policies.
The SNP have stated that they won't join in a coalition with Labour. Not that I think their word means a thing of course.IveSeenTheLight wrote: »Do you believe there should be proportional representation?
I didn't but the fracturing of UK politics surely makes it necessary. When there were 2 parties it wasn't required now there are 4 parties likely to get 10%+ of the vote means that PR fairness trumps FPTP efficacy.
That the SNP can get ~2% of the vote and 40+ seats whilst UKIP can get ~10% and perhaps scrape a couple and Green can get ~5% and maybe get a seat or more likely none is clearly ridiculous.0 -
IveSeenTheLight wrote: »I don't think they will form a coalition with Labour.
They have already shown how a minority government can succeed and are willing to work with Labour on key policies.
Trying to be neutral about it.
The fact that Mr Cameron will get first crack at forming a government may be decisive.
If Labour find themselves in a minority position with a possibility of power, I expect all of a sudden we will hear the "big business mantra". The business community will present things in terms of market response / loss of jobs / possibility of Interest Rate rises.
It may sway things.
All we do know is we don't know what will happen for a few weeks
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The SNP have stated that they won't join in a coalition with Labour. Not that I think their word means a thing of course.
I didn't but the fracturing of UK politics surely makes it necessary. When there were 2 parties it wasn't required now there are 4 parties likely to get 10%+ of the vote means that PR fairness trumps FPTP efficacy.
That the SNP can get ~2% of the vote and 40+ seats whilst UKIP can get ~10% and perhaps scrape a couple and Green can get ~5% and maybe get a seat or more likely none is clearly ridiculous.
This is no different to previous elections where votes are weighted depending on the constituency you cast your vote in.
Conservative and Lib Dems coalition had 59.1% of the vote in 2010.
They're polling (and I know you love a poll) at combined only 43% of the vote now.
It all points to needing a way forward which is more reflective of the electorate votes.
What a pity this could not be seen before Scotland's growing influence on politics over the last decade:wall:
What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
Some men you just can't reach.
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Trying to be neutral about it.
The fact that Mr Cameron will get first crack at forming a government may be decisive.
I believe the polls are showing a 1% difference between Cons and Labour.
Of course, I'm unsure how this will reflect in seats
Isn't it that the largest party get first crack?:wall:
What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
Some men you just can't reach.
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IveSeenTheLight wrote: »What a pity this could not be seen before Scotland's growing influence on politics over the last decade
As I said, it wasn't necessary to have PR when there were 2 parties getting any significant number of votes.
2% of votes shouldn't mean 40-50 seats in a 650 seat parliament.0 -
As I said, it wasn't necessary to have PR when there were 2 parties getting any significant number of votes.
2% of votes shouldn't mean 40-50 seats in a 650 seat parliament.
It's a good job that Scottish politics is directing the way of better reflection for the electorate then isn't it?
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What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
Some men you just can't reach.
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