Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Tromking

Moby wrote: »

...............but every new nation starts from somewhere surely? You wouldn't want to pay the price, nor would I...because I'm a unionist but many feel differently. One of my best friends is a traditional socialist, who has changed to SNP. His arguments are about autonomy and being fed up of policies that are watered down by the prism of Westminster. I point out that Scotland go go right wing in future; he says yes it could but despite this the hatred of Westminster politics is overwhelming.

Im sure your friend in a free Scotland would quickly transfer his ire to the out of touch liberal elites based in Edinburgh!:)

kabayiri

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

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If the SNP were honest about that their support would fall off a cliff.

Which is why they lie.

Being selfish but honest the issue of SNP being honest with their voter base isn't directly relevant to me as a rUK voter.

What I don't want however is their brand of socialist spending being foisted upon the rest of us, just because they hold some marginal sway in an alliance. I think we need a smaller state in future, not bigger.

elantan

And through it all I just can't wait till the SNP march on WM ... Independence is coming

InvestInPoker

http://chokkablog.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/full-fiscal-autonomy-for-dummies.html?m=1

kabayiri

InvestInPoker wrote: »

http://chokkablog.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/full-fiscal-autonomy-for-dummies.html?m=1

Ahh..but I believe the author has a cousin who has a hairdresser, the sister of whom is godmother to someone who used to work as an unpaid intern for the 'Orrible Tory Party...

...thus invalidating the entire content because it's biased

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

Ahh..but I believe the author has a cousin who has a hairdresser, the sister of whom is godmother to someone who used to work as an unpaid intern for the 'Orrible Tory Party...

...thus invalidating the entire content because it's biased

Hamish posted it earlier in the thread. Is all over Twitter. I guess if Hamish can post from blogs like that..Well then here's some more 'bias' for you. Now, I hope you won't just dismiss it as 'bias' and think long and hard over the implications.;)

During the last financial year, 2012/13, Tesco reported UK sales of £48,216,000,000. Much of this is food which is not liable for VAT. On my last trip to the supermarket, around 15% of the amount spent was on non-food items, and so liable for VAT. That’s as good an estimate as any in order to work out some rough calculations....

..Since the total in other taxes paid by Tesco to the UK Government is greater than our deliberately low estimates for VAT, the true figure for the taxes Tesco would pay in an independent Scotland is certainly well over the £140 million mark. At the moment, Scotland is not credited with a penny of this amount.

Remember, this is the hidden Scottish revenue from just one supermarket chain. What applies to Tesco applies equally to Morrisons, Asda and all the rest. It also applies to M&S, Top Shop, John Lewis, and the other retail chains on our high streets and in our shopping centres. Together these companies make sales in Scotland worth billions of pounds annually, and the billions they generate for the UK Treasury are filed in tax returns from their head offices, which are usually in London.

http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-great-gingerbread-robbery/

A Scottish Treasury for some of that lot might be good for a start ? Every little helps. There's lots things like that would be done differently under ( the non-happening ) FFA. But is all moot. It is honestly.. give up with the instant FFA tomorrow black hole.

Looks like the SNP will tomorrow be attempting to garner further support in the North of England. Even if they can't vote for them. Labour voters there might be sympathetic to SNP policies, surely more sympathetic to that than a Tory/UKIP deal anyway.
http://news.sky.com/story/1467977/sturgeon-to-make-manifesto-offer-to-the-north

David Cameron apparently refused to sit next to Nicola Sturgeon on Andrew Marr's sofa today because he didn't want to be photographed with her. And tomorrow the Scottish Daily Mail will feature a double page spread of how to 'tactical vote' against the SNP.

Democracy and mature politics in action eh. Getting all very nasty again as Labour try and hold off a wipeout. And the Tories ramp up the anti-SNP rhetoric in the hope of completely de-legitamising any Labour arrangement's right form government. Is all actually starting to feel a bit sinister. I don't know if others are feeling the same (those on this thread ? ).. Cameron actually had to be reminded today by Marr that SNP MP's are democratically elected like everyone else... so he changed the subject.

elantan

Och aye, its project fear 2 and loads of threats, they have decided this time love bombing ain't gonna work so no point in trying, might as well go for smear campaigns and terrorising a large portion of the people ... I do wonder who actually did win last year,

Hell slap it into us if we chose it ... But I ain't sure we did

I keep running out of popcorn from all the excitement lol

Shakethedisease

I think Cameron has just pressed the eject Scotland button..( either that or the panic room one) .

David Cameron will vow on Monday to prevent England, Wales and Northern Ireland from losing out unfairly as a result of Scottish devolution by introducing an annual report detailing the impact of Scottish government decisions on the rest of the UK.

The prime minister will say that other parts of the country will be free to respond to the decisions of the Scottish government, such as taking compensatory action if it presses ahead with plans to cut air passenger duty..

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/19/conservatives-pledge-annual-report-on-scottish-government-impact-on-uk?CMP=share_btn_tw

Or else mabye he's just discovered that 'no detriment' transitionary mechanism Alex Salmond was talking about.. works in reverse too. What else are these 'compensatory measures' I wonder ? Anyway, is clear now, the Tories probably want Scotland gone. Martin Wolf in the FT too.. ( comments underneath are an real eye opener )http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/105f62f4-e1d0-11e4-bb7f-00144feab7de.html#axzz3XnYUTUJI

Oh Hamish, it seems the 55% don't matter any more in Tory circles, not when it comes to politics... Even theQuietNo was disgusted by the Wolf article. Will be an interesting 17 days...

elantan.. more popcorn required thanks.

Generali

On the other side to Tesco of course there are many companies based in Edinburgh such as HBOS, RBS, Scottish Life, SSE which will have tax revenues counted as Scottish despite gaining revenues and having employees all over the UK.

MumOf2

And now the SNP have changed their standing orders so that "no member shall within or outwith the parliament publicly criticise a group decision, policy or another member of the group". More a gagging order than a standing order...


Dissension in the ranks must be avoided at all costs.


What sort of totalitarian state are they planning? No-one must speak out of turn and every child must have a state guardian to watch over them. Oh, and of course state television (which will be beamed into every household for compulsory viewing twice a day). And we thought 1984 was fiction.


Again, thank goodness we won't have to suffer this Orwellian future.


btw, hustings were very lively indeed with lots of ranting and shouting, placards being walked up and down the aisle, threats to eject two people by a policeman, lots of heckling and followed up by blatant misreporting. But no, no-one threatened to behead anyone else with a machete, or daubed swastikas on the building and no-one made racist insults. So in relative terms, it was as tame as a Sunday afternoon tea party at the local vicarage.