Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Leanne1812 wrote: »

I'm not going to condone what happened to the journalist. Why on earth would I? I cannot abide the abuse coming from any side and will not be a part of it.

So what about the SNP activists that stalk opposition female politicians with cameras, filming people that open their door to them, hurling abuse, and then describe it as hunting on social media.

Would you support the Police arresting SNP activists who behave like this?

Leanne1812

Optimist wrote: »

I have to say that is not what my new neighbors say. They have just moved here from Glasgow as they said the hassle and general poor atmosphere post referendum was just too much for them

I belief they were firmly in the no camp.

I am sorry to hear that. Is it possible they were vocal campaigners or were they quiet No voters? Not that I'm going to make excuses but I'd imagine from anything I've heard there generally was ill feeling between the 2 camps with the outspoken ' I'm right, you're wrong' type. It was a very emotive time here in Scotland and sadly it's taking time for some to let go and move on.

Leanne1812

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

So what about the SNP activists that stalk opposition female politicians with cameras, filming people that open their door to them, hurling abuse, and then describe it as hunting on social media.

Would you support the Police arresting SNP activists who behave like this?

Anyone who is breaking the law I support their arrest.

I have watched the video of Margaret Curran ( if this is who you are referring to) being asked questions whilst out campaigning and while it may have made her feel uncomfortable it wasn't threatening. I'd suggest if she was so upset she should have reported it to the police. Possibly she did, I'm not sure. I haven't heard any more about it so I can only assume the people were not breaking the law.

Generali

Leanne1812 wrote: »

I am sorry to hear that. Is it possible they were vocal campaigners or were they quiet No voters? Not that I'm going to make excuses but I'd imagine from anything I've heard there generally was ill feeling between the 2 camps with the outspoken ' I'm right, you're wrong' type. It was a very emotive time here in Scotland and sadly it's taking time for some to let go and move on.

My fear has always been that the referendum would foment hatred between Scots and between Britons. Nothing I have seen or heard disabuses me of that.:(

Leanne1812

Generali wrote: »

My fear has always been that the referendum would foment hatred between Scots and between Britons. Nothing I have seen or heard disabuses me of that.:(

Generali, I live here......what you experience is purely online media stories & debates. Most of us are peaceful folk, quite happy to integrate with people from other parts of the UK and throughout the world. I actually think since the debates people have become more aware & understanding of why so many scots like the SNP so much & it has nothing to do with being anti our neighbours.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

And now the SNP terrorists are threatening to behead their opponents.

A LABOUR councillor last night spoke of his terror after a pro-independence supporter threatened to “cut his head off” on the campaign trail.

Paul O’Kane was canvassing for leader Jim Murphy in the Auchenback estate in Barrhead, Renfrewshire, when he was heckled by a Yes voter.

Paul said: “The man came to the front of his garden and started shouting at me because I had a suit and a rosette on.

“He was saying ‘There’s the big Labour politician’, ‘Get away’, ‘Get out of here’. Then he picked up an electric saw, switched it on and shouted at me: ‘If you come over here, I am going to cut your f*****g head off.

“It made a hell of a noise and it was quite frightening.”

It is understood the man had an SNP poster in his window but it has since been removed.

Police Scotland confirmed the matter is under investigation.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Staggering lies from Sturgeon on the debate today, on BBC parliament now, repeatedly refusing to answer the questions on how Scotland would cover the additional deficit.

Floundering from lie to lie, refusing to explain how she would get Scotland to grow at twice the average rate of the developed world, which would be required for the IFS to be wrong. Insinuating Scotland could only pay it's way if it abandoned it's responsibilities to pay for debt and defence.

This is beyond outrageous.

skintmacflint

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

It's the Confederation of British Industry and had no need to remain impartial, only to tell the truth in representing the majority of it's members, which it did admirably.

It noted in strong terms that many of it's members had very real concerns that indy would damage businesses in Scotland, and be bad for both employers and employees, as the economics simply didn't stack up.

That's honesty, not bias....;)

on?

Which would explain this comment from Salmond's newly published (ahem) book, where he compares a meeting with a major Scottish entrepreneur to the CBI. He writes

" What a pleasant contrast with the time servers and dimwits who occupy the CBI in Scotland, most of whom have never run a business or would even recognise an an entrepreneur.

Shakethedisease

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Staggering lies from Sturgeon on the debate today, on BBC parliament now, repeatedly refusing to answer the questions on how Scotland would cover the additional deficit.

Floundering from lie to lie, refusing to explain how she would get Scotland to grow at twice the average rate of the developed world, which would be required for the IFS to be wrong. Insinuating Scotland could only pay it's way if it abandoned it's responsibilities to pay for debt and defence.

This is beyond outrageous.

Calm down Hamish. I know the polls have upset you, and that facing the SNP surge as a reality rather than an after-referendum 'blip' has got you scared. But honestly... you and other's trying to portray events and SNP voters through frightened, shrill, panicy way OTT unionist/indyref2 eyes isn't going to win you any elections. It's not working.

It's funny how threads like these are normally good ( if heated ) in the way of debate until you start wading in posting the latest 'unitedagainstseperation' stuff. Now that really is somewhere where there is a load of hate formenting. Stick with the economics, because at the moment you're starting to scare me a bit with all the rabidity and 'vile SNP supporters under every bed' rhetoric. :eek: We're 99.9% just normal people like you. I hope you're not trying to suggest otherwise ?

So it came as some surprise to learn that, once again, the mainstream media had got it completely and utterly wrong. At least according to YouGov's post-debate opinion poll, which recorded that Nicola Sturgeon walked it by a mile with 56% thinking she did well in the debate.
Jim Murphy was trailing behind the Tory Ruth Davidson at 13% and the Liberal Democrat Willie Rennie became Mr 1%. His rating was within the margin of error.
Most of the press ignored this and continued to insist that Jim had "blown a hole" in the SNP's tax policy; that Nicola Sturgeon had been "stunned" by the Edinburgh audience jeering at her refusal to rule out another referendum. Some even suggested that Ed Miliband's visit on Friday would capitalise on Jim Murphy's debating success.

This is getting just a little disturbing. It's not healthy when the nation's press appears to be living in a parallel reality - aside, that is, for The National, which invariably supports the SNP. In most of the UK media there is a state of bewildered incomprehension about the irresistible rise of the SNP..

..Nearly half of Scotland's voters, 49%, it recorded, are now preparing to vote for the SNP, with Labour back at 25% . This is off the scale even for the SNP.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/columnists/the-voters-of-scotland-seem-to-have-fallen-in-love-with-nicola-sturgeon-she-is-ad.122938151

Leanne is correct, most of us go about life up in ( West of ) Scotland pretty much without seeing anything in the way of 'hate and division'. I also live, work, socialise and have a large extended family here. Nothing to report. Yes/No's/SNP/Labour voters.. no hassles. As for trying to bring the old sectarian rubbish out of the closet.. just absolutely desperate.

Jim Murphy also spoke about 'growing the economy' at that debate. But wasn't challenged ? From what I've read about it, seems the debate was an absolute shambles from start to finish anyway. 4 against 1, with Nicola unable to get past the first word before being constantly interrupted.. sometimes by the presenter ! I'm afraid it's Jim Murphy's staggering lies that are about to come back and bite Hamish. Nicola is doing just fine, sadly for you.

skintmacflint

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Anyone who is breaking the law I support their arrest.

I have watched the video of Margaret Curran ( if this is who you are referring to) being asked questions whilst out campaigning and while it may have made her feel uncomfortable it wasn't threatening. I'd suggest if she was so upset she should have reported it to the police. Possibly she did, I'm not sure. I haven't heard any more about it so I can only assume the people were not breaking the law.

I think she did. Shortly after Sturgeon stepped in to demand this was stopped. Something she and SNP strategists have had to do a few times that I've seen. It was aimed intimidation of any local non SNP political campaigners , not wanting to see themselves appear in some doctored YouTube video online. But it's naïve to think intimidation doesn't occur without breaking the law, or somehow isn't that bad or relevant unless a law is broken.

I agree there has been some pretty vile stuff from both sides posted on social media Leanne, and also in some incidents. This is what happens when daily derogation on social media is used as a prime method to neutralise your political opponents. Some nut cases get carried away with it, then act it out in real life on the streets.

It might not reflect the behaviour of most, but as with everything in life, it sometimes only takes a minority.