Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

CLAPTON

zagubov wrote: »

They're not. The print media is dying up there with a steady haemorrhage of readers, although the (Sunday) Herald and that Shetland paper seemed to be doing better when they broke ranks and backed the indy side. The National may carve a niche. There's another 30 papers pushing the other point of view.



No, I've not got the energy. You can sort out Yorkshire's problems if you're concerned enough.

so you're now saying that the Scottish media is in tune with the majority (SNP) viewpoint

so why write hysterical rubbish like

Never mind the social media, the reason I feel strongly enough to post, despite having lived elsewhere for decades, is the parlous state of the Scottish mainstream media.

True, I don't expect that a nationalist would be even handed about the concerns all the people of the UK

zagubov

CLAPTON wrote: »

so you're now saying that the Scottish media is in tune with the majority (SNP) viewpoint

so why write hysterical rubbish like



True, I don't expect that a nationalist would be even handed about the concerns all the people of the UK

When have I said I am a nationalist or want independence for Scotland?

CLAPTON

zagubov wrote: »

When have I said I am a nationalist or want independence for Scotland?

always avoid answering the questions : Chapter one of Propraganda manual cf Germany 1930s

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

7.6 billion is significant when presented to 8.5% of the population. I am assuming you did understand this?

'Phasing in' - it all sounds so easy and nice when you word it like this. It's complete rubbish of course.

You think the Smith commission and the Barnett formula being phased out/changed in response is complete rubbish ? How else are they even going to do that ? Overnight you think ? ( not that I think the Smith commission will be implemented fully either ).

7.6 billion is a lot. Scotland's share of the UK deficit. Mabye would be better to try something a bit different managing Scotland's economy, and ensure the powers to do so.

Shakethedisease

Nearly forgot.. they've started a little bit of 'phasing' already. And I bet you never even noticed. :cool:

https://www.revenue.scot/

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Shakethedisease wrote: »

7.6 billion is a lot. Scotland's share of the UK deficit. Mabye would be better to try something a bit different managing Scotland's economy, and ensure the powers to do so.

Oh....

You really don't understand the economics?

I thought you did but just didn't care...:o

Shakethedisease

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Oh....

You really don't understand the economics?

I thought you did but just didn't care...:o

Mabye you're right *shrugs*.. The 'black hole' keeps moving between 7 billion, 12 billion, 14 billion and 40 billion depending on reports the last 12 months. When it's the UK it's a deficit or a debt, when it's Scotland it's a 'black hole'. Is hard to keep track of all the black holes Scotland faces following UK fiscal policies.

This latest IFS hypothetical FFA that hasn't happened and won't right now 'black hole' however ( one of many), is a headline grabber, nothing more. Once again there is some sort of SNP deficit in the headlines and on the BBC. Something to re-run the pensions scare with. They've given up on winning the 'Glasgow man Labour-SNP 'switcher's' back and are concentrating efforts instead on the older core voters so they don't lose any more.

Once again FFA/Devo-Max ( Labour have changed the narrative because the vowed/argued for a form of Devo-Max during the referendum ) is not the SNP's gift to give. Not within the UK and Westminster. Which is why I'm finding the fact you're bothering having acute hysterics over it, or any other 'black hole' hard to believe. You obviously don't understand the politics, or else you don't care.

There's an election coming up soon Hamish. Wake up to that sometime soon won't you . I see the Tories have just found 8 billion to invest in the NHS from a black hole. See that's a headline grabber from a desperate party that looks like it's losing in the polls 4 weeks out from election day. Labour are trying the same tactics in Scotland. There's nothing else of note to be said really.

Devo-Max isn't on the cards. Not right now. But if you want to keep raising your blood pressure over it, do feel free.

Crashy_Time

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Staggering lies from Sturgeon on the debate today, on BBC parliament now, repeatedly refusing to answer the questions on how Scotland would cover the additional deficit.

Floundering from lie to lie, refusing to explain how she would get Scotland to grow at twice the average rate of the developed world, which would be required for the IFS to be wrong. Insinuating Scotland could only pay it's way if it abandoned it's responsibilities to pay for debt and defence.

This is beyond outrageous.

The only benefit of the SNP is breaking the Westminster cartel, and causing enough economic uncertainty for a HPC, beyond that you don`t want them anywhere near the levers of power. Let them run a theme park in the Highlands after their job is done.

skintmacflint

Shakethedisease wrote: »

This latest IFS hypothetical FFA that hasn't happened and won't right now 'black hole' however ( one of many), is a headline grabber, nothing more. Once again there is some sort of SNP deficit in the headlines and on the BBC. Something to re-run the pensions scare with. They've given up on winning the 'Glasgow man Labour-SNP 'switcher's' back and are concentrating efforts instead on the older core voters so they don't lose any more.

Once again FFA/Devo-Max ( Labour have changed the narrative because the vowed/argued for a form of Devo-Max during the referendum ) is not the SNP's gift to give. Not within the UK and Westminster. Which is why I'm finding the fact you're bothering having acute hysterics over it, or any other 'black hole' hard to believe. You obviously don't understand the politics, or else you don't care.

There's an election coming up soon Hamish. Wake up to that sometime soon won't you . I see the Tories have just found 8 billion to invest in the NHS from a black hole. See that's a headline grabber from a desperate party that looks like it's losing in the polls 4 weeks out from election day. Labour are trying the same tactics in Scotland. There's nothing else of note to be said really.

Devo-Max isn't on the cards. Not right now. But if you want to keep raising your blood pressure over it, do feel free.

Glad to see you're admitting mentioning FFA was simply a trap for Labour and the other parties to fall into . Looks like it has backfired on her somewhat. She certainly wasn't looking confident or credible in that debate with Brewster. She came across as a a local councillor in a bun fight,where has all her statesman qualities gone.

Do you know where this 15 billion additional onshore growth by 2020 is coming from? You're a member of Business for Scotland. Do they know?

Nice of Sturgeon to publicly admit, in an effort to calm waters, she couldn't deliver FFA. IMO it serves to highlight SNPs single purpose at Westminster is to ensure the agreed constitutional changes pass through Westminster, and are possibly enhanced, at any cost including all their talk of anti austerity policies, and the poor etc.

Normal SNP voters ( not the demented ones) expect spin and manipulation from every other party SNP have demonised up here but not from their own party . Which pretends it's honest , upfront, and always has Scotlands best interest at heart.

SNP better be careful with their 'long game ' plan here. Because the clock is ticking on them being well and truly found out that Scotlands best interests is only relevant if it happens to agree with SNPs best interest.

skintmacflint

Leanne1812 wrote: »

What else can Nicola Sturgeon and her party do? Surely she can't be responsible for the behaviour of everyone?

Again, I won't condone abusive behaviour to anyone about what their political views are. What I would say about what happened in the case of Margaret Curran is as an elected representative I'd think she should be answerable to her constituents. It appears she is selective in her audience. She has a facebook page which I have had a scroll through and anyone asking for answers to genuine questions is ignored or abused by her supporters. Margaret herself does not respond. It fosters frustration I'd imagine.

What's happening in Scotland is people now realise we actually put these people in power and if we disagree with their policies or feel they are not representing the community they are elected to them we're not afraid to let them know. Politicians no longer have an easy ride ( labour in particular ) they cannot be complacent and expect to be re-elected just because they are labour. This is what has changed in Scotland and I'd say it's a positive move.

Can't say I agree with you Leanne. Sturgeon was on the committee in control of the grass roots activists and social media. She also stood idly by , with no retraction when Salmond berated my age group, saying "we should take a good look in the mirror and consider whether we were responsible for impeding the futures of the next generation, something no generation should do." Causing much upset for elderly people regardless of how they voted last year. Salmonds comment was picked up by his fanatics on social media frenzy of abuse. .

Too arrogant and conceited to realise my generation might actually have voted as we did vote because we wouldnt entrust our grandkids future to a Scotland dominated by SNP in full control .

Can't comment on Margaret Currans media pages, can only say I've read somewhere she took her current seat off SNP Jphn Mason because he did nothing for his constituents.

As for politicians no longer getting an easy ride in Scotland, are you sure you don't just mean that is only with any of the Westminster parties. As SNP seem to be getting away with many things up here. Are you in agreement with all your children having a state appointed guardian with more power than you as a parent. You'll find out if one of your kids decides to tell his teacher a couple of porkies in revenge for you banning him from using his Xbox for a week for not doing his homework. Don't think it doesn't happen. Lol.

Or do you think it's acceptable , that despite Scotland receiving a shed load more cash per person than the UK, our NHS , schools and public services are no better and in some cases worse than the UKs. Or that armed officers were routinely walking our streets. Courtesy of SNP we no longer have a manned police station. Nearest station is 15 miles away.

Do you know where this magical 15 billion onshore growth by 2020 is coming from. Or the funds for all the new things she has promised are coming from?