Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

elantan

.string. wrote: »

That's a pretty vapid remark, elanten. Your remark about hated of Scots is simply not true; but claiming credit for such a thing merely underlines that fermenting division is a strategic tool of the YES Conpaign and your SNP Heroes.

I do not believe and never have suggested that every non Scot hates the Scots ... But to pretend there are no people for whom their hatred of the people of Scotland is palpable is somewhat dismissive and blinded to the reality of the situation, incidentally I do also believe there are some Scot's that wrongly hate non Scots also.....

I ain't campaigning on either behalf of SNP or the Yes movement ... Just in case you wondered

I too would vote for independence in a heart beat,

.string.

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Yes, I would still take it.

I'll await the onslaught of imminent Armageddon........

As a matter of interest, how do you think the resulting split in Scottish society would affect the happiness of the Scots.

kabayiri

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Yes, I would still take it.

I'll await the onslaught of imminent Armageddon........

Why would it be Armageddon?

It might come with some harsh financial reality checks, but in your case you believe the end result worth it.

Unification of Germany wasn't without cost, but they believed the cost was outweighed by the greater overall result.

elantan

I would answer that question string by saying it wouldn't be much different from now, although that may not strictly speaking be the case, look at the celebrations on the 17th Sept compared to 19th sept in George Square

So maybe its best to say I don't know but can't wait to find out

kabayiri

Leanne1812 wrote: »

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I had a conversation with my mother today about the (trash) newspapers she reads. I asked what they were saying about Nicola Sturgeon, her response "everyone is loving her, even down south they are signing up to the SNP".

I'm loving it, people looking for a credible alternative to what's currently on offer see it in Nicola Sturgeon & the SNP.

Look. Let's be clear on this. Nicola may be a good politician and a person of sound principles.

But, she is a long way from representing me. And why should she? She does not have the interests of my region at heart.

In fact she wants a stronger Scotland competing for jobs and work with my region (as part of the rest of the Union).

Leanne1812

.string. wrote: »

As a matter of interest, how do you think the resulting split in Scottish society would affect the happiness of the Scots.

I'm not quite sure what you mean string?

You could say we are split right now but we're still managing to live in the same country without civil war breaking out. I imagine I'm much like most people who live here. We want a quiet peaceful life, not to fight with people who don't share my views.

I respect the referendum result but had it been the outcome I wanted I'd expect the no camp to respect it too.

.string.

You trivialize a very serious question elanten. It is not just about a night of football hooliganism, it needs more thought. How would the Unionist faction react? Would there be any long term disharmony? Would the split disappear overnight? What sort of factors would affect the feeling of well-being?

It's a serious and complex question.

elantan

.string. wrote: »

You trivialize a very serious question elanten. It is not just about a night of football hooliganism, it needs more thought. How would the Unionist faction react? Would there be any long term disharmony? Would the split disappear overnight? What sort of factors would affect the feeling of well-being?

It's a serious and complex question.

Did i trivialize it? really? the 19th of September in George square was anything but trivial ... it certainly wasnt a night of football hooliganism either ( not that that is a trivial matter)

As I did say after the part about the violence on the 19th, I dont know how the changes would affect us all, although like Leanne I would like to think that any unionists would accept the result like the people that currently lost have had to accept defeat at this time.

It is a very serious and complex question, and i hardly think five minutes worth of thought on an online forum really warrants the subject fully discussed and sorted do you ?

What you do need to remember though is right now there are many people that wanted independence that didnt get it, they are not rioting in the streets and causing problems, so i certainly wouldnt want to accuse their counterparts of doing so when we do get independence.

Leanne1812

kabayiri wrote: »

Why would it be Armageddon?

It might come with some harsh financial reality checks, but in your case you believe the end result worth it.

Unification of Germany wasn't without cost, but they believed the cost was outweighed by the greater overall result.

I don't believe it would be Armageddon - what I meant was I'd imagine most unionists on this thread think it would be.

I do believe it would be worth it. I didn't just choose to be a Yes voter overnight. It was probably the most important political choice I might ever make and I didn't make it lightly.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Leanne1812 wrote: »

I do believe it would be worth it. .

So out of curiosity, is there any level of cuts or financial pain Scotland would have to make that wouldn't be worth it?

Or are you an indy at any price sort of person?

What if it turned out oil continues to decline, and an independent review of Scottish finances, conducted by a panel of experts the nationalists could trust, concludes Scotland really would have to endure Greek levels of public sector/benefits cuts?

Still a price worth paying?