Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

NICHOLAS_2

elantan wrote: »

I certainly didnt plan on any oil .... wouldve happily given the stuff to charity, and i am delighted that it is doing so badly, I hope it stays low for a while ... although i must say i doubt it ... I will say this ... it wont be 100 years till the next referendum but nice try and keep thinking that way if it please you

and if you are not comparing the SNP to Nazi's then why use the term ?

The illogical belief is why i compare. Although the nationalistic views of the SNP may have made it look as though i was comparing them to militant nazi views.

I really think that pro independence supporters got so sucked up into the campaign that a lot of them are living in la la land now.

It's the sort of thing you see in America. I remember watching a documentary about some Americans who were very Anti Obama and wanted Romney to win. When asked 'what will you do if Obama gets back in' he said that they will call a meeting 9am sharp the next day to see what they could do. He had deluded himself so badly that he thought he could unseat Obama

If you're not a century away from another referendum, i'd stick money on you still being a minimum of 5 decades away - so not really worth talking about any more?

The SNP supporters have every right to want to get a better deal for Scotland, as do the Welsh, but there is only so much that they will achieve because a union is about give and take not take take take.

I would have thought the plummeting oil price would have made the SNP a laughing stock, i am very surprised it hasn't.

elantan

NICHOLAS wrote: »

The illogical belief is why i compare. Although the nationalistic views of the SNP may have made it look as though i was comparing them to militant nazi views.

I really think that pro independence supporters got so sucked up into the campaign that a lot of them are living in la la land now.

It's the sort of thing you see in America. I remember watching a documentary about some Americans who were very Anti Obama and wanted Romney to win. When asked 'what will you do if Obama gets back in' he said that they will call a meeting 9am sharp the next day to see what they could do. He had deluded himself so badly that he thought he could unseat Obama

If you're not a century away from another referendum, i'd stick money on you still being a minimum of 5 decades away - so not really worth talking about any more?

The SNP supporters have every right to want to get a better deal for Scotland, as do the Welsh, but there is only so much that they will achieve because a union is about give and take not take take take.

I would have thought the plummeting oil price would have made the SNP a laughing stock, i am very surprised it hasn't.

you really have not got a clue ... keep dreaming and plotting meanwhile my fellow countrymen and women will work on building the country they want to live in, times are a changing here, its exciting to be alive right now in Scotland, I hope it lasts, either way though I will be leaving when able ... its fun to watch both the changes happening around me and the small minded people like yourself squirm and throw out the nasties we certainly must be doing something right if ye olde Nazi accusations come about again ... hell maybe I might even join the SNP at some point ...

Generali

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Show me a detailed document explaining how much Scotland puts into the pot and how much she takes out and I'll answer you. Deal?

.....GERS has all of that.

Leanne1812

NICHOLAS wrote: »

The illogical belief is why i compare. Although the nationalistic views of the SNP may have made it look as though i was comparing them to militant nazi views.

I really think that pro independence supporters got so sucked up into the campaign that a lot of them are living in la la land now.

It's the sort of thing you see in America. I remember watching a documentary about some Americans who were very Anti Obama and wanted Romney to win. When asked 'what will you do if Obama gets back in' he said that they will call a meeting 9am sharp the next day to see what they could do. He had deluded himself so badly that he thought he could unseat Obama

If you're not a century away from another referendum, i'd stick money on you still being a minimum of 5 decades away - so not really worth talking about any more?

The SNP supporters have every right to want to get a better deal for Scotland, as do the Welsh, but there is only so much that they will achieve because a union is about give and take not take take take.

I would have thought the plummeting oil price would have made the SNP a laughing stock, i am very surprised it hasn't.

Well you have to consider that your whole idea of what the SNP stand for is wrong......

Are you insinuating that Scotland take, take, takes from the union? In which case I suggest you have well and truly bought into the propaganda the media & unionists like to propagate. Does it make any sense that the union fought so hard to keep Scotland if we are such a drain? Think about it......just for a moment........

I think the problem some people have is that they thought us Scots felt we were superior in some way and that's why we wanted to break from the Union. Nothing could be further from the truth. What I would say, for me anyway, I felt breaking from the political union would be beneficial for Scotland. In time I felt we could be a beacon to the rest of the UK and they too would rise up and make demands on their gov for fairness & equality. So, for me it wasn't just about Scotland, it was to start change throughout the whole UK.

A small example, my husband works for a large multi national corporation. Many of his colleagues have part time contracts but would like full time work. Because of their poor part time pay they are topped up by tax credits. Even if they take a second job this job must be a priority and they should be flexible and open to overtime shifts. How can a company like this be allowed to make massive profits yet their employees need top ups from the gov. How can people who work and want to progress do so with this system. It's plain bonkers.

Leanne1812

Generali wrote: »

.....GERS has all of that.

i believe it was GERS that Ivan McKee used in his presentation. You described it as 'interesting'.......you alluded he may have used some fancy accounting. Is it possible the treasury could also use fancy accounting?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Show me a detailed document explaining how much Scotland puts into the pot and how much she takes out and I'll answer you. Deal?

Leanne, it's a really simple question....

Is there any level of cuts or financial pain Scotland would have to make that wouldn't be worth it?

Or are you an indy at any price sort of person?

What if it turned out oil continues to decline, and an independent review of Scottish finances, conducted by a panel of experts the nationalists could trust concludes Scotland really would have to endure Greek levels of public sector/benefits cuts?

Still a price worth paying?

Leanne1812

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Leanne, it's a really simple question....

Is there any level of cuts or financial pain Scotland would have to make that wouldn't be worth it?

Or are you an indy at any price sort of person?

What if it turned out oil continues to decline, and an independent review of Scottish finances, conducted by a panel of experts the nationalists could trust concludes Scotland really would have to endure Greek levels of public sector/benefits cuts?

Still a price worth paying?

But it's not really that simple Hamish is it?

It should be simple to furnish me with the information I requested in order to make an informed decision but that's not so simple either is it?

I won't answer a hypothetical, sorry ;-)

CLAPTON

Leanne1812 wrote: »

In time I felt we could be a beacon to the rest of the UK and they too would rise up and make demands on their gov for fairness & equality. So, for me it wasn't just about Scotland, it was to start change throughout the whole UK.

So what would SNP message be to young entrepreneurs thinking of starting a company in Scotland?

"Please don't come here if you plan to become successful and earn a lot of money;"
"Please don't come here if you plan to pay your best people a high salary as Scotland only wants 'fairness and equal salaries'?"

And the same for any international company thinking of investing in Scotland : " only average salaries here: Scotland doesn't want high paid jobs; so go away and open up elsewhere".

elantan

when i was talking with wee Eck the other night, we chatted about the brain drain currently happening in Scotland... he indicated that the plan is to reverse this ... So I would imagine the opposite of what you suggest... although I think you know this already and are just trying to wind people up, once again requiring everything spelled out for you so you can criticise and tear every nuance apart ....

Leanne1812

Brilliant article.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/05/sturgeon-memo-westminster-nasty-machinations