Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Oh dear me no, it's not news to me. However, I think it may have come as a bit of a shock to some who voted No under the misplaced idea that Scotland is an 'equal partner' in the union.

I also think you're confusing 'Scottish' politicans with Scottish Labour politicians. If Scotland votes SNP politicians down to Westminster, then it's just going to have to be dealt with. Scottish Labour politicians came to the fore in big numbers in the wake of 18 years of Thatcher.. when it seemed that only Scotland kept voting Labour regardless. Hence a large pool of Scottish Labour MP's.

The same to a lesser extent is a happening now.

It depends what you mean by equal partner. If you mean that 5 million people out of 64 million get the same weight of votes as 50 million out of 64 million then clearly you're more out there than I expected.

If you mean that a Scotsman's vote should count the same as an Englishman's then I agree. I think that Scotland doesn't need to have much of a reduction in seats for that to be the case.

There have been many great Scottish Tories and Liberals as well.

Shakethedisease

Tromking wrote: »

Made I laugh!:rotfl:
Hamish demolishes yours and others child like case for an economically viable independent Scotland, so you simply move the emphasis to something else!
You've got it bad!

Thank you Hamish's personal cheerleader. You can put your pom-poms away now.

I've been over this about 100 times with Hamish throughout the referendum. I'm bored running through exactly the same arguments all over again when the coming election's are so much more interesting to discuss and speculate on. At the end of the day I have my views, he has his.

Voltaire7

All I can say is that the English are absolutely flailing.

And it is glorious to watch.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

It depends what you mean by equal partner. If you mean that 5 million people out of 64 million get the same weight of votes as 50 million out of 64 million then clearly you're more out there than I expected.

If you mean that a Scotsman's vote should count the same as an Englishman's then I agree. I think that Scotland doesn't need to have much of a reduction in seats for that to be the case.

There have been many great Scottish Tories and Liberals as well.

Hey, I didn't con the 'equal partner' line. BetterTogether, Cameron, Milliband, Clegg and Brown did just a few months back that was all Scots voters were hearing. Mabye it's time for them to fully appreciate exactly what that means at the ballot box. Cameron and Milliband for sure, are not liking it one bit.

ps equal means equal, the same as etc... no qualifiers needed. If there's a hung parliament, an MP from Ayrshire, is worth the same as one from Devon.

ruggedtoast

I think the Scots actually just want a Tory government. May will be their second opportunity to vote to get rid of David Camerons as their leader, and the second time they will vote in a way that ensures they keep him.

Thanks a lot, Scotland.

Shakethedisease

Voltaire7 wrote: »

All I can say is that the English are absolutely flailing.

And it is glorious to watch.

There's certainly a lot of panicing going on and ridiculous scenario's being painted. I've just watched Daily Politics and Jo Coburn had a 'SNP Threat' ticker tape thing at the bottom of the screen while she was talking. Seriously ?
Tories, especially worried as even if they get most seats, may not have the support to form a working government. They've only just recently woken up to that, and Labour are also edging back up in the polls... well in England anyway. No sign of it in Scotland just yet.

Shakethedisease

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I think the Scots actually just want a Tory government. May will be their second opportunity to vote to get rid of David Camerons as their leader, and the second time they will vote in a way that ensures they keep him.

Thanks a lot, Scotland.

I don't think many of us are very bothered about who gets in. If the Tories get in, it will be the English that vote them there.. as always.

ruggedtoast

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I don't think many of us are very bothered about who gets in. If the Tories get in, it will be the English that vote them there.. as always.

How's that nationalist prejudice working out for you by the way?

Tromking

padington wrote: »

Could Labour align with the Tories and ever hope to win in Scotland again? Ed's in a sticky situation. Perhaps the place for Labour to be is in opposition?

The Scots electorate voting overwhelmingly SNP without ever having the collective cojones to vote for independence will be a thoroughly bad thing for Scotland. The English, to neuter a relatively small region of the UK having a disproportionate say in UK affairs will simply vote for a party that will sideline the majority Scottish viewpoint, so goodbye Barnett Formula perhaps!
Couple that with the real risk of the Scottish political scene becoming sectarian in nature then what price the birth or growth in a Unionist party in Scotland.

kabayiri

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I don't think many of us are very bothered about who gets in. If the Tories get in, it will be the English that vote them there.. as always.

It's just the same for Labour heartlands in the Northern regions of the UK.

But we accept that is how democracy works.


(and we don't demand a referendum every 20 minutes when it looks like we won't get what we want)

I love how Scotland has to be considered some kind of special case. It doesn't. It's just another region with assets and costs.