G24 double visit

The_Deep

I suppose it depends on what the OP wants, If he wants them to go away and bully someone else, fine. If he wants to close them down, close the industry down, protect the vulnerable from exploitation, and do his bit to make the market place safer, then my way is better.

After all. the OP has said this

"I am more than willing to have my day in court",

lets us not discourage him. so few who come on here display any sort of backbone.

Guys_Dad

Here is another case where a motorist did the right thing but still the PPC did not cancel.

Now if I was the motorist, I, too, would have been angry that the equipment was faulty, took my money, and still the PPC wouldn't cancel the ticket. And felt an injustice that they didn't believe me.

So motorist used the advice on appealing on technical grounds and won https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5105069

I believe that constantly winning on GPEOL grounds is wearing the PPCs down more than individual wins on specific non-technical grounds. We already have evidence of some PPCs folding before POPLA when faced with a winning forum-aided appeal, others no supplying evidence to POPLA and others reinventing their " genuine losses" when each iteration gets shot down.

And, personally, if I was a first time poster on this forum, I would want the PPC to go away and stop bothering me until I got my charge cancelled, and then make up my mind about whether or not I wanted subsequently to join the campaign and help others from my armchair, free from the threat of a charge hanging over my head. Like it says on the planes, put your own oxygen mask on first before helping children or others.

The_Deep

I believe that constantly winning on GPEOL grounds is wearing the PPCs down ...

I don't, appeals are a mere spit in the bucket in the numbers game they play.

And, personally, if I was a first time poster on this forum, I would want the PPC to go away and stop bothering me

I was a first time poster once, I had already successfully batted away two PCNs, complained to the BPA, the DVLA, Trading Standards, and the ICO. You do not need a lot of posts to know your rights, understand the law, or fight your corner.

This chap has cojones, please stop trying to emasculate him.

Parking-Prankster

I am suddenly interested in this case.


Here are more resources regarding ANPR
http://www.parking-prankster.com/exhibits.html


This blog entry has some stuff too from a chat with an ANPR guy
http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/the-prankster-at-parking-world-end-of.html


OP, if you have anything more to add, I would love to host it on my site.

M.A.G

Thank you for all your interest and helpful advice in this. I have sent an email to G24 as set out in my earlier post so I'll see what happens and let you know.

Parking Prankster, if there's anything you want to know feel free to ask and you're more than welcome to put it on your site.

Thanks

Hot_Bring

The_Deep wrote: »

I hope that they are reading this. Then, if they refuse the appeal we will know for certain that, given the massive amount of evidence about the unreliability of these cameras, and the frequency of these spurious claims , their decisions lack one iota of credibility.

Firstly G24 DO read this board - hello Adrian King

Secondly, there is plenty of evidence on this board already that shows G24 to be liars, scammers, immoral, law breaking scum.

To the OP - just ignore G24 - never done court and they wouldn't know how to.

M.A.G

Hot_Bring wrote: »

Firstly G24 DO read this board - hello Adrian King

Secondly, there is plenty of evidence on this board already that shows G24 to be liars, scammers, immoral, law breaking scum.

To the OP - just ignore G24 - never done court and they wouldn't know how to.

Ignore them ? no, not yet, I want this dismissed and an apology or court it is ! This car park is about a mile from the town centre
1. I have access to free parking 300yds away from B&M, 24/7 at work, which I can prove.
2. I have access to free parking right in the middle of town 24/7 at my casual work place, which I can prove.
3. My parents live closer to town than this store, there are no parking restrictions where they live
3. There's 180 mins free parking 2 minutes from the town centre at Sainsbury.
4. I work in IT for the local law, I fit ANPR and have access to lots of expert witnesses
5. If they can spend 195 mins shopping in B&Ms with my two boys (aged 8 & 9) I'll pay their penalty PLUS make a donation to charity .

The_Deep

I want this dismissed and an apology or court it is ...

Music to my ears.

M.A.G

UPDATE
Dear Mr M.A.G RE: Contractual Parking Charge Notice xxxxxxxxxxxxx Thank you for your email. We respond as follows :
1. In relation to your suggestion that your parking charge is not a genuine pre-estimate of loss we confirm we have obtained legal advice in this regard and have been advised that not only can our parking charges be justified on the basis that they are in line with the Independent Parking Committee's guidelines, and that they amount to a genuine pre-estimate of loss, but they are likely to amount to liquidated damages (where the issue of pre-estimate of loss is not relevant). This is because the Court’s position is that where the parties to a contract agree to fix the amount which is to be paid by way of damages in the event of a breach of contract - which is the basis of the contract detailed on our signage - a sum stipulated in this way (particularly in circumstances where there is difficulty in calculating a precise estimation) is classed as liquidated damages. Either way, our parking charges are fully enforceable and no not amount to a “penalty”.
You should also be aware that in accordance with the case of Robophone Facilities v Blank the onus of proving that an amount claimed is a penalty, rather than liquidated damages, is upon you (as the party against whom the parking charge is claimed);

2. If you believe this decision is incorrect, you are entitled to appeal to the Independent Appeals Service (IAS). In order to appeal the IAS will need your parking charge number, your vehicle registration and the date the charge was originally issued. Appeals must be submitted to the IAS within 21 days of the date of this letter. Please visit www.theias.org for full details.
3. Again, you do not specify in which way you allege we not have authority to issue charges over the land where the car park is located. However, we can assure you that the parking management at the car park where you received a parking charge has been contracted to us. Again, we are able to confirm that we have been successfully audited by an independent assessor on behalf of the Independent Parking Committee. The vehicle log has been checked for the day in question and there is one entrance and one exit. After consideration of the information provided by you, your dispute has been unsuccessful as proof of purchase has not been supplied for the day in question therefore the Contractual Parking Charge Notice still applies. As we have extensively investigated this Contractual Parking Charge Notice and provided you with the results of our investigation, no further investigation will be undertaken.

You now have one of the following options available to you:
1. Pay the outstanding Parking Charge. Payment of your Contractual Parking Charge Notice can be made via the payment line: 0845 452 7777 or by sending a cheque or postal order to G24 Limited, PO Box 3320, Gerrards Cross, Buckinghamshire, SL9 8WT.
2. If you believe this decision is incorrect, you are entitled to appeal to the Independent Appeals Service (IAS). In order to appeal the IAS will need your parking charge number, your vehicle registration and the date the charge was originally issued. Appeals must be submitted to the IAS within 21 days of the date of this letter. Please visit www.theias.org for full details.
3. If you choose to do nothing, we will seek to recover the monies owed to us via our debt recovery procedures and may proceed with Court action against you.
4. Supply copies of your receipts for the day in question or your bank statement with your private details erased showing the transaction(s) on our client's site within 14 days. Please do not send in original documents as they will not be returned. Customer Services G24 Ltd To Pay your Parking Charge visit www.payyourcharge.co.uk or call our payment line on 0845 452 7777. DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL, if you wish to continue your appeal visit our appeals website at www.appealyourcharge.co.uk.

Do I write back or just start ignoring them ? I'm not going to bother appealing to IAS as by all accounts it's a waste of time anyway

Zero_Gravitas

Given that any appeal to the IAS is effectively a waste of time, and that this is G24, who don't appear to do court; would it be at all worthwhile replying to G24 with words to the effect of:

"I will not be appealing to the IAS as it is demonstrable that they are neither independent, nor transparent nor fair. If you believe you have any case, then please issue court papers within 28 days or this matter will be considered closed"?

I'm not suggesting the OP do this, by the way - I'm just curious as to whether it might have any merit as an approach.

Best Regards,

ZG.