Biomass Boilers Government Scheme

captainhindsight_2

Silent_Dancer wrote: »

Domestic RHI is capped according a calculated value on the EPC. The problems lie in commercial RHI. This is metered and limitless. I am aware of chicken farmers who leave biomass boilers on all the time even when sheds have been cleared after slaughter. I know of a commercial landlord who has been installing biomass into his properties and heating them whilst they are vacant. Apparently he gets a better return on this than letting them. Is it right that businesses are profiting from wasting heat?

The reason why the domestic RHI money has been going so quickly is that it lends itself to big drafty mansions. Is it right that the owner of a mansion is being paid taxpayers money to heat their home?

It is very wasteful, but it is a means to an end. Or a necessary evil, the benefits of switching to biomass are much greater than just saving the planet, there are many small businesses popping up producing fuel, distributing fuel, boosted income for tree surgeons, installers. Arguably reducing demand for fossil fuels thus helping slow down the increase of gas and oil prices.

Renewables especially biomass can create a whole full circle in a local community creating jobs etc etc all whilst be cheaper than fossil fuel alternatives which a large percentage goes abroad, I would much rather subsidise a local tree surgeon than some Arab prince.

At least this money is staying in the UK, where as subsidising other renewables the majority of it goes to foreign manufactures of the kit and the big energy companies.

My favourite use of rhi is using a biomass boiler to dry and help produce wood chip and pellets all whilst claiming rhi. Lol. Making the whole process almost a zero cost to the manufacturer.

There is no reall way to police this in the commercial sector as heat demands and uses vary so much.

Silent_Dancer

captainhindsight wrote: »

It is very wasteful, but it is a means to an end. Or a necessary evil, the benefits of switching to biomass are much greater than just saving the planet, there are many small businesses popping up producing fuel, distributing fuel, boosted income for tree surgeons, installers. Arguably reducing demand for fossil fuels thus helping slow down the increase of gas and oil prices.

Renewables especially biomass can create a whole full circle in a local community creating jobs etc etc all whilst be cheaper than fossil fuel alternatives which a large percentage goes abroad, I would much rather subsidise a local tree surgeon than some Arab prince.

At least this money is staying in the UK, where as subsidising other renewables the majority of it goes to foreign manufactures of the kit and the big energy companies.

My favourite use of rhi is using a biomass boiler to dry and help produce wood chip and pellets all whilst claiming rhi. Lol. Making the whole process almost a zero cost to the manufacturer.

There is no reall way to police this in the commercial sector as heat demands and uses vary so much.

There would be ways to cap the RHI in the commercial sector. For example you could look at historical energy consumption to deem a maximum heat load or the tiers could have more steps than it does now or you could pay an fixed grant for the installation of the equipment.

The RHI subsidy is a serious distortion of the market and when they are removed the supply chain and installer base will collapse. Look at Ireland if you want to see an example of what happens when subsidies are removed.

Ultimately I do not understand why my taxes are supporting your business.

captainhindsight_2

Silent_Dancer wrote: »

There would be ways to cap the RHI in the commercial sector. For example you could look at historical energy consumption to deem a maximum heat load or the tiers could have more steps than it does now or you could pay an fixed grant for the installation of the equipment.

The RHI subsidy is a serious distortion of the market and when they are removed the supply chain and installer base will collapse. Look at Ireland if you want to see an example of what happens when subsidies are removed.

Ultimately I do not understand why my taxes are supporting your business.

A cap would not work, industrial processes change. A biscuit factory could up production and need more heat, why should they no get RHI income for using renewables.

That's like saying why are your taxes supporting the different companies that build hospitals, roads, make medicine , make stationary which is sold to government departments and schools, farmers who supply food to hospitals schools, the big six energy companies that are supplying heat and electricity to public buildings etc etc,

If this money was going to big companies you probably wouldn't notice or care, but because it is going to small businesses you care.

So according to you, when the subsidies are removed everyone will suddenly not need any fuel..... Good one.

I would much rather my taxes going to small companies based in the UK ratherer than more and more money going abroad which seems to be what you want which seems rather odd....

Shepster2

For what it is worth, I had a Grant 9-36kw boiler installed last May. It has been on continuously since November. I live in a large isolated 16 Century Farmhouse and it is lovely and warm. Reliability has been excellent with just one problem with a sensor which was fixed on the same day.
Like everything, do your research and choose a professional outfit.
And the bonus is that the RHI will have covered all the costs in less than three years.

Silent_Dancer

Shepster2 wrote: »

For what it is worth, I had a Grant 9-36kw boiler installed last May. It has been on continuously since November. I live in a large isolated 16 Century Farmhouse and it is lovely and warm. Reliability has been excellent with just one problem with a sensor which was fixed on the same day.
Like everything, do your research and choose a professional outfit.
And the bonus is that the RHI will have covered all the costs in less than three years.

Why should taxpayers be paying to heat your 16th century farmhouse?

Shepster2

Silent_Dancer wrote: »

Why should taxpayers be paying to heat your 16th century farmhouse?

Because the government is trying to meet its targets on reducing the use of carbon based fuels. Additionally, wood pellet as a fuel needs a kick start which can only be done by governments. The tarrif has already been reduced which is a measure of its success.

And finally, the mention of the farmhouse is to reflect the fact that it is a draughty old house which is listed and therefore cannot have cavity wall insulation etc by law.

captainhindsight_2

Silent_Dancer wrote: »

Why should taxpayers be paying to heat your 16th century farmhouse?

Your not he is.

Tthe RHI is paying to incentivise a new renewable technology, create jobs in instalation of the technology, training people to do the installations, local jobs in fuel manufacture and local jobs in distribution oh at it is also reducing demand typically for off grid fuels such as oil and LPG making surpless demand this cheaper oil and LPG for everyone else.

Biomass creates a local full circle economy in fuel manufacture which no other heating technology offers, and can make many communities self sufficient in biomass fuel making less reliance on foreign imports and keeping the money in the UK rather than sending it abroad with oil imports .

The only money that goes abroad with a biomass instalation is usually the boiler itself, everything else can be sourced and often is sourced from manufacturing in the UK including the fuel flue etc etc .

Who cares about the environment, that seems like a good enough reason.

Silent_Dancer

The domestic biomass RHI tariff is to be reduced by 20% from 1st April to 8.93p/kW. This is on top of the 10% reduction from the start of February.

Smiley_Dan

The sooner it goes to 0% the better.

captainhindsight_2

Smiley_Dan wrote: »

The sooner it goes to 0% the better.

0% drop would be great!