No normal heating in the flat

System

OP, surely, you dont need to have the full house's heating on all the time.
Have you tried just keeping the main living room heater on, the panel heater will have a thermostate so its not going to be on full none stop.

Lets say it take a little while to warm the room, a normal single rate tariff is about 12p a unit so if you have it on say setting 1 with that using 1 unit per hour.

So that works out £1.44 per day for your living room, even if its using 2 units per hour it wont but its only costing £2.88.

lstar337

pumen wrote: »

lstar337 wrote: »

They cannot force you to live there.

You can move, but you will still be required to pay rent for the minimum period. If you do move, you'll be paying rent on two places.

The minimum period is there to protect landlords against time wasters.

Wow, what a waste of a thread with such rude people like yourself. Perhaps you are one of those landlords who rips people off. I started the thread to seek advice and help, not to listen to your stupid remarks.

What was rude about my post?

Andy_WSM

lstar337 wrote: »

What was rude about my post?

It wasn't the answer he wanted to hear. Well that's the impression I'm getting about the whole thread. He's not answered any of the questions about why he thinks his heating is expensive / thermostat settings etc.

I think it was ruder the op comparing Britain to a third world country, but I bit my tongue until now

Pincher

Andy_WSM wrote: »

I think it was ruder the op comparing Britain to a third world country, but I bit my tongue until now

The child abuse victims don't believe in establishment figures, because they think they are all !!!!!philes. British Midland was producing cars that broke down constantly. Rubbish piled up mountain high in Highbury in the late 1970s, with IMF and World Bank about to step in to institute austerity measures.


Victorian water pipes everywhere, leaking water left, right and centre. My neighbour tells me he successfully sued Thames Water for a leak that was not fixed for six months, and that my subsidence was at least partially caused by soil erosion from the leak. They even stopped dredging that has been going on for centuries to stop flooding in the country side.


In the property market, amateur developers, cowboy builders and slum landlords abound.


I love it here, Switzerland is too first world for me. I would get arrested for leaving the rubbish bin out too long. Sloppy is bliss.

Andy_WSM

Pincher wrote: »

The child abuse victims don't believe in establishment figures, because they think they are all !!!!!philes. British Midland was producing cars that broke down constantly. Rubbish piled up mountain high in Highbury in the late 1970s, with IMF and World Bank about to step in to institute austerity measures.


Victorian water pipes everywhere, leaking water left, right and centre. My neighbour tells me he successfully sued Thames Water for a leak that was not fixed for six months, and that my subsidence was at least partially caused by soil erosion from the leak. They even stopped dredging that has been going on for centuries to stop flooding in the country side.


In the property market, amateur developers, cowboy builders and slum landlords abound.


I love it here, Switzerland is too first world for me. I would get arrested for leaving the rubbish bin out too long. Sloppy is bliss.

Running water, a reliable electricity network, a free market - both for traders and consumers. Tarmac roads, telecommunications (the reason we can all post on this forum right now).

All things a third world country would love eh?

Don't get fooled by the dredging stories. The Somerset levels have ALREADY flooded this Autumn, despite £8m being spent dredging through the Summer. They are meant to - the real issue is the amount of housing being built there - it's below sea level, of course it's going to flood! And yes, I live on the levels...

Pincher

Andy_WSM wrote: »

They are meant to - the real issue is the amount of housing being built there - it's below sea level, of course it's going to flood! And yes, I live on the levels...

Isn't that what the people in Atlantis used to say?


Commiserations. You are not alone, my insurance premium is ridiculous too, from the subsidence.

Richie-from-the-Boro

pumen wrote: »

PerfectLy decent heating system is the one which keeps the flat warm and is efficient to operate. This is not the case here.

You cannot really understand how cold or warm the flat is until you actually move in. When we viewed, it was still very warm outside. This flat had an EPC rating of 74 - which I think is Ok vs. many others I have seen (55-60). I cannot imagine you can get 74 without having a decent heating system.

74 [60-80] is band C. The band whilst a useful guide is really only an environmental impact rating measured as the home’s impact on the environment in terms of carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions. B&A are good C is kind of middle of the road and DEFG are pretty useless, in fact anything below E means a tenant will be able to argue that the rent for the notional new lease applicable on rent review is zero as the premises will be unlettable. In the case of an upwards only rent review then there will be no rent increase and in the case of an upwards/downwards rent review the rent could be reduced to zero.

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pumen

Nada666 wrote: »

You can afford to spend that on rent but can't afford to spend £5 a day to warm a room? And that would be 24 hours. If working only £3.50 to £4.

And surely the problem is the fabric and insulation, not the form of heat.

This is not how it works out. If it was 5 pounds per day for a full flat and with good result, I wouldn't even start this subject.

Of course, I do not heat the full flat. I checked the meter. A living room, thermostat set at just 20 degrees (still, temperature doesn't get higher than 17) consumes about 2 units of energy per hour (according to the meter). So, if it is on for 24 hours, it is 48 units in just one single room. This comes at about 6 pounds per day, or 180 pounds per month for just one(!) room. If I turn it off for some period of time, the temperature will fall to 14! It also takes forever for these panels to increase temperature in the room. Simply expensive and horrible.

So, with a living room and a bedroom, this will be almost 400 pounds per month for 17 degrees. And the rooms are not big at all!!!

Obviously these panels are extremely expensive and super inefficient. And the landlord does not want to do anything to improve this.

pumen

Andy_WSM wrote: »

I really think it's your perception of what is "normal" is to blame.

A huge number of properties in the UK aren't even on the gas supply and still rely on solid fuels, oil or LPG supply to heat and that can be just as expensive as all electric all things considered.

As things currently stand, new build properties after 2016 will not have gas heating (The law may change, but that's what it currently is).

Have you worked out how much your electric heating is ACTUALLY costing or are you assuming it's going to be expensive? If it takes ages to warm up it would suggest it's not using much power as electric heating is 100% efficient, unlike gas.

I am ok with electric, but these panels without convectors and no storage heating simply do not work. It takes ages to warm the room and the max I get is 17 degrees if I put thermostat at 20 degrees. I changed the thermostat to 25 degrees for one night to see the result and when woke up, it was 20 degrees in the room. How can this be???

pumen

Robin9 wrote: »

Four things you need to do

1 Read your meters now and see how many units you have used since you moved in.

2 Then work out the costs - you say its expensive but you dont quote any actual figures

3 You say the flat doesn't get warm - check thermostat and timers

4 Talk to your neighbours

There is no timer . These are old thermostats - you manually have to turn them on and off. Neighbours have radiators - they also consume a lot of energy, but at least keep the flats warm and store heat. Also, perhaps the neighbours have better insulation.