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Stay or go? EU poll - Oh the irony.
StevieJ
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It seems there is a strong correlation between the rise of UKIP and EU popularity.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2803377/Support-staying-European-Union-surges-23-year-high-thanks-rise-Ukip.html#ixzz3H01E0TuK
Public support for Britain staying in the European Union has risen to a 23-year high, a surprise opinion poll showed today.
Some 56 per cent of people now say they would vote to stay in the EU in a referendum, the highest level since 1991
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2803377/Support-staying-European-Union-surges-23-year-high-thanks-rise-Ukip.html#ixzz3H01E0TuK
'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher
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Next May will be the time to appraise the mood.
In the intervening period the EU may well have issues of it's own to address.
Not least the results of the bank stress tests that are published this coming Sunday.0 -
It seems there is a strong correlation between the rise of UKIP and EU popularity.
It sure does....
Support to leave the EU has plummeted over the last 2 years.
“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
Thrugelmir wrote: »Next May will be the time to appraise the mood.
In the intervening period the EU may well have issues of it's own to address.
Not least the results of the bank stress tests that are published this coming Sunday.
Bank stress tests sound like what the Americans call a Beltway issue to me: something that politicians and a few policy wonks care passionately about.
If you went to a local pub or building site, how many people would have even known that the results are due out at the weekend let alone be interested in engaging in discussion with you about it?
It's an interesting idea that UKIP are widely seen as such a bunch of lunatics that their support for a policy turns everyone else off.0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »It sure does....
Support to leave the EU has plummeted over the last 2 years.
why do the pros not want a referndum then?0 -
why do the pros not want a referndum then?
With polling suggesting a clear majority in favour of staying in the EU and no political party having been elected into a majority government while offering a referendum on their manifesto, there is simply no democratic mandate to hold one at the moment.
And as we saw from the Scottish experience, such a referendum would cost a fortune, would rapidly degenerate into hate fuelled bitter and divisive behaviour, and lead to years of deferred business investment, not to mention tens of thousands of jobs left uncreated while the uncertainty continued.
Why on earth should we go through that, given the above two points?“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
Bank stress tests sound like what the Americans call a Beltway issue to me: something that politicians and a few policy wonks care passionately about.
With the EU in what appears to be a downward contractionary spiral. The results of the stress tests may well be unwelcome news for the politicians at the current time. While not of direct interest to the man on the street. What happens at macro level will ultimately filter through at the micro level. UK recovery is at a critical point. Wouldn't take much to blow it off course. Tories proposed personal tax changes up to 2020 already look shaky.0 -
Imagine this...
UKIP win general election, we have an in/out referendum, and the in vote wins... what then?
We are best served by convincing the EU that there is a credible threat of us voting to leave the EU, then whom ever is in power can successfully negotiate a better EU deal for the UK... Such as.... subsidies due to the high migration of EU citizens to the UK, more of a means tested entry to the UK not 100 % free movement, more powers returned to the House of Commons.
So if UKIP win a lot of seats, but the conservatives win, Cameron would have a strong hand to get a better deal for us.
The UKIP vote is also a protest vote against current Westminster conduct and democracy, a democracy that has had its proverbials chopped off and handed to the EU.Peace.0 -
TickersPlaysPop wrote: »We are best served by convincing the EU that there is a credible threat of us voting to leave the EU, then whom ever is in power can successfully negotiate a better EU deal for the UK... Such as.... subsidies due to the high migration of EU citizens to the UK, more of a means tested entry to the UK not 100 % free movement, more powers returned to the House of Commons.
After listening to viewpoints from other "Europeans" over the past few days. There's a very different view from across the Channel. The EU's direction is a federal superstate. Always has been as far as the powerful bureaucrats in Brussels are concerned. If the UK wishes to go it's own way then so be it. The key is getting on board with the Germans. There's work to be done in that area to gain their support for reforms that are acceptable.0 -
Two questions:
1) Would any PM really get a genuinely good deal that addresses the concerns of people currently seeking to leave the EU?
2) Would any PM, on failing to get a good deal, be honest with us, or would they save face and tell us they got us a great deal?
[clue: what happened last time?]0 -
Hedgehog99 wrote: »Would any PM really get a genuinely good deal that addresses the concerns of people currently seeking to leave the EU?
And what of the people that want to stay in the EU with the deal we currently have?
How would their concerns be addressed by a PM trying to change things?“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0
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