MSE News: Disability and carer's allowance claimaints to suffer as inflation falls

belladonna13

bloolagoon wrote: »

I googled and am not getting any such statistics just pages on the benefits (or lack of) in starving yourself. Can you provide a link please?

I cannot link. I do not know how, sorry. Try Mark Wood and David Clapson. They are the two I know of.

nannytone_2

credit-crunched wrote: »

google "was elvis and alien" and you will get some compelling facts about that too!

Also try googling "how many people end up in an early grave due to working their fingers to the bone in low paid jobs with no help from the state, whilst their workshy benefiting seeking neighbours enjoy 3 holidays a year and the latest gadgets"

this thread is about disabled people and carers.
Or does that eqyare to 'workshy benefitting neighbours' in your opinion?
Many, many disabled people also work, and thise that are currently unable to do so, have previously spent many years gainfully employed.
So not make the mistake of blaminf rgwaw groups for your own lack of success in the workplace as it makes you look bitter and foolish

SnooksNJ

belladonna13 wrote: »

I am sorry that I quoted you at the top of my post. I wanted only to reply to you that I had not actually said that I felt those working wished the disabled dead.

My ire was not with you but with all who keep asking the same old same old question over who is truly disabled. When steps are obviously under way to try to decide that, although the HCP that are used at the medicals are not what they should be. See again I digress. So easy to do when one feels passionate about an issue.

Know though that my post, apart from a little part was not intended solely for you, and I once again apologise that that is the way it appeared.

I have fought all my life for what I believe in and for the rights of certain minority groups. I am too old now and far too tired to run for political office. So occasionally, when I am able, I become what my son calls a 'keyboard warrior' and even that tires me out!

That's too bad because I think you would be excellent at some kind of advocacy.
I hate to disagree with your sons but being passionate about something doesn't make you a keyboard warrior. An example of a keyboard warrior is someone who takes it to a whole different level like posting something like you have a mobility car, I'm going to kidnap your dog.

p00

Has anyone noticed that it is always benefit people that constantly moan about not having enough money when there are plenty of low paid workers who wont get a raise in their income this year, or last year and dont have a car supplied to them with all the costs involved and Im sure feel suicidal at times because they cant afford to be off work ill as they cant afford to lose the wages or even afford the cost of prescriptions these days.

Stop whinging and see how lucky a lot of disabled people are in this country to have an income at all.

Yes there are the severely disabled but Ive always found that they are the ones that dont moan about life or how hard done by they are even though they are far worse off than the so called disabled scroungers in the UK.:mad:

SnooksNJ

Tropez wrote: »

Well I don't do it myself but carers have my utmost respect for what they do. Earlier this year, my wife suffered an injury and I needed to take on the role of looking after her for a few months and honestly, it was.. difficult I think would be a fair way to put it. I've absolutely no issue with doing it, of course, but yeah, nothing but respect for people who do it every day for years. It's an incredible burden and a huge position of responsibility to have the welfare of another person in your hands.




In the case of my friend she has done what she has done for at least ten years now. She isn't doing it for government payouts but surely you would agree that she does need an income? She does need to pay for household expenses, she does need new clothes now and again. Bills aren't paid with love. Clothes aren't bought with love.

Based on what I was able to find online just now about carer's allowance, she gets about £61 a week probably topped up to £100 a week with IS. Wow, £400 a month. Yep, everyone must be doing it for the government payouts.

And she must have saved the government/local authority a small fortune in care home fees by now.

I'm willing to wager some of the people who complain about "taxpayers" money going on benefits don't work anywhere near as hard as some carers.

It's sad that nobody else could help out so your friend could generate more income than just £400.

nannytone_2

p00 wrote: »

Has anyone noticed that it is always benefit people that constantly moan about not having enough money when there are plenty of low paid workers who wont get a raise in their income this year, or last year and dont have a car supplied to them with all the costs involved and Im sure feel suicidal at times because they cant afford to be off work ill as they cant afford to lose the wages or even afford the cost of prescriptions these days.

Stop whinging and see how lucky a lot of disabled people are in this country to have an income at all.

Yes there are the severely disabled but Ive always found that they are the ones that dont moan about life or how hard done by they are even though they are far worse off than the so called disabled scroungers in the UK.:mad:

CAN YOU POINT ME TOWARDS THE POSTS WHERE DISABLED PEOPLE ARE SAYING THEY DONT GET ENOUGH?
IF YOU BOTHERED READING, YOU WOULD SEE THAT MOTANILITY CARS ARENT 'SUPPLIED' THEY ARE paid FOR, FROM dla/pip BENEFITS THAT HAVE BEEN AWARDED DUE TO SIGNIFICANT DISABILITY.
YOU SEEM TO THINK THAT DISABILITY BENEFITS ARE PAID TO ALLOW THE RECIPIENT TO HAVE A LIFE OF LUXURY AT THE POOR LOW PAID WORKERS EXPENSE.
ALL I CAN SAY IS ....
IGNORAMCE IS NEVER A DEFENCE FOR STUPIDITY

wildwestfan

nannytone wrote: »

IF YOU BOTHERED READING, YOU WOULD SEE THAT MOTANILITY CARS ARENT 'SUPPLIED' THEY ARE paid FOR, FROM dla/pip BENEFITS THAT HAVE BEEN AWARDED DUE TO SIGNIFICANT DISABILITY.

Saying that recipients pay for their own motability cars is akin to suggesting that someone pays their own rent simply because the LHA benefit payments go into their bank account before they pass it on to the landlord.

The taxpayer is funding the payments that can then be exchanged for the motability car exactly as the taxpayer is funding the LHA payments that provide someone with a roof over their head.

wildwestfan

Tropez wrote: »

Well I don't do it myself but carers have my utmost respect for what they do. Earlier this year, my wife suffered an injury and I needed to take on the role of looking after her for a few months and honestly, it was.. difficult I think would be a fair way to put it. I've absolutely no issue with doing it, of course, but yeah, nothing but respect for people who do it every day for years. It's an incredible burden and a huge position of responsibility to have the welfare of another person in your hands.




In the case of my friend she has done what she has done for at least ten years now. She isn't doing it for government payouts but surely you would agree that she does need an income? She does need to pay for household expenses, she does need new clothes now and again. Bills aren't paid with love. Clothes aren't bought with love.

Based on what I was able to find online just now about carer's allowance, she gets about £61 a week probably topped up to £100 a week with IS. Wow, £400 a month. Yep, everyone must be doing it for the government payouts.

And she must have saved the government/local authority a small fortune in care home fees by now.

I'm willing to wager some of the people who complain about "taxpayers" money going on benefits don't work anywhere near as hard as some carers.

What about the older carers who receive precisely nothing? SRP and Carers Allowance are overlapping benefits so only one is paid. There are loads of retired spouses caring that never receive a sou for their efforts. Just imagine how much money they save in care home fees but then most of them do it for love not monetary gain.

nannytone_2

wildwestfan wrote: »

what about the older carers who receive precisely nothing? Srp and carers allowance are overlapping benefits so only one is paid. There are loads of retired spouses caring that never receive a sou for their efforts. Just imagine how much money they save in care home fees but then most of them do it for love not monetary gain.

and those that are able to claim carers allowance only do it for the money?

Carers arent paid for the caring role, they are paid because caring full time leaves little/no chance of paid full time employment.
The reason pensioners are not entitled is because they are not forgoing paid employment in order to care.
The state pension is the 'out of work benefit for people past retirement age, and so is the overlapping benefit.
That is why people on jsa/esa/is have carers allowance deducted from their benefit as it is 'income' amd overlaps with the benefit they receive.
Oensioner, like those on jsa and esa and is will receive this premium iff their income is low enough.

So pensioners are not getting short changed, they are treated exactly the same if on a low income

Tropez

wildwestfan wrote: »

What about the older carers who receive precisely nothing? SRP and Carers Allowance are overlapping benefits so only one is paid. There are loads of retired spouses caring that never receive a sou for their efforts. Just imagine how much money they save in care home fees but then most of them do it for love not monetary gain.

What about it? Did I say that was acceptable? Did I say anything about SRP?

No, I responded to the comments by someone who appeared to argue that carers do so for government money and not love - which also appears to be what you've just argued. I'd imagine there are few carers who do it for monetary gain. There's far easier ways to make £400 a month.