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michaels

PasturesNew wrote: »

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On unrelated matters, was it before or after none of the funds being recovered that you bought your house for cash?

Spirit_2

LydiaJ wrote: »

Police, social workers, medical professionals etc get to deal with children one at a time, where the "issues" are the focus of what's going on. Teachers are supposed to fit the child protection stuff in as if by magic while the main focus is on, you know, educating the class.

I disagree ,ulnless someone has job that is specifically child protection, their primary focus will be their professional role, and some of the professional judgements they make will have profound consequences.

I have taken part in in cp case conferences and watched the multiplicity of dilemma's being aired and dealt with. It is hard to call the shots and make decisions that will take children into care, suspend careers of people with scarce life saving skills based on an allegation yet to be investigated, accuse parents of munchausen symptoms by proxy and poisoning their child, Set in train events to safe guard a child removed from hospital and travelled across europe. i cannot think of an example of a teachers CP decision making beyond, observing/ reporting/escalating/counselling/support.

LydiaJ

Spirit wrote: »

I disagree ,ulnless someone has job that is specifically child protection, their primary focus will be their professional role, and some of the professional judgements they make will have profound consequences.

I have taken part in in cp case conferences and watched the multiplicity of dilemma's being aired and dealt with. It is hard to call the shots and make decisions that will take children into care, suspend careers of people with scarce life saving skills based on an allegation yet to be investigated, accuse parents of munchausen symptoms by proxy and poisoning their child, Set in train events to safe guard a child removed from hospital and travelled across europe. i cannot think of an example of a teachers CP decision making beyond, observing/ reporting/escalating/counselling/support.

I think you must have misunderstood me, since you being with "I disagree" and then say a bunch of stuff that I agree with! I wasn't suggesting that CP decisions are ever easy, or that teachers carry the main burden of responsibility for them. I would imagine that the main burden of responsibility for such decisions is usually carried by people for whom CP is the main focus of their job. Am I incorrect in that assumption?

The original discussion was about whether teachers get more stressed when asked to present to multidisciplinary CP case conferences than other professionals. While I have no data with which to judge whether this is true or not, as a teacher I felt I could speculate about some reasons why this might be, other than the "teachers are all pathetic losers" hypothesis already advanced, which I find hard to accept.

In addition to the previous discussion about how presenting to multidisciplinary case conferences is part of everyday work for social workers but not for teachers, I still think there is a difference between asking for evidence from, say, a doctor and a teacher. The doctor sees the child as an individual on a specific occasion or occasions, at which their role is to examine that child's injuries and during which they record notes about the injuries and the incident, to which they can later refer. The teacher is expected to have noticed and remembered the extent to which the child was withdrawn or neglected or bruised or whatever, over a diffuse period of weeks or months when the teacher's attention and record keeping were primarily concerned with the child's educational progression until the withdrawal/neglect/bruising/whatever became obvious, although it may have begun subtly, and during almost all of which the teacher's attention was having to be shared with 29 other children simultaneously. I would expect it to be much easier for the doctor to be specific in their evidence to the case conference than for the teacher, and I suspect that that might give the teacher the appearance of not coping as well as the doctor.

michaels

Pre sentence reports etc. I guess it will be gaol although these days there is little desire to send women to prison for financial crimes. Perhaps she will just get community service and a tagging order....

michaels

Not sure but I think there is a 'quickie' pre sentence report that can be done if a custodial sentence is unlikely, sometimes same day but if a full report is needed because prison is possible then it takes longer....

LydiaJ

Another good experience of the NHS this morning. Took DS to see an OT hand therapist about his writing pain. Very thorough, seemed very competent as well as caring and generally nice. He now has exercises to do, and a wrist splint thingy to wear just while writing, and we're to go back in a month (a week's rest from writing over half term, and three weeks of school).

Spirit_2

LydiaJ wrote: »

decisions is usually carried by people for whom CP is the main focus of their job. Am I incorrect in that assumption?
In my experience, yes
The original discussion was about whether teachers get more stressed when asked to present to multidisciplinary CP case conferences than other professionals. While I have no data with which to judge whether this is true or not, as a teacher I felt I could speculate about some reasons why this might be, other than the "teachers are all pathetic losers" hypothesis already advanced, which I find hard to accept.not losers, but rather came across as profession with a greater burden than other professions collective complaint

In addition to the previous discussion about how presenting to multidisciplinary case conferences is part of everyday work for social workers but not for teachers, I still think there is a difference between asking for evidence from, say, a doctor and a teacher. The doctor sees the child as an individual on a specific occasion or occasions, at which their role is to examine that child's injuries and during which they record notes about the injuries and the incident, to which they can later refer. The teacher is expected to have noticed and remembered the extent to which the child was withdrawn or neglected or bruised or whatever, over a diffuse period of weeks or months when the teacher's attention and record keeping were primarily concerned with the child's educational progression until the withdrawal/neglect/bruising/whatever became obvious, although it may have begun subtly, and during almost all of which the teacher's attention was having to be shared with 29 other children simultaneously. I would expect it to be much easier for the doctor to be specific in their evidence to the case conference than for the teacher, and I suspect that that might give the teacher the appearance of not coping as well as the doctor.

Cp can include decisions concerning alleged perpetrators, risk management and immediate actions there is unlikely to be a neat bundle of contemporaneous reference notes to refer to.the clinical judgements include accidental or deliberate harm rather than disease

GDB2222

PasturesNew wrote: »

Goin' DAAAAARN ... for a long time.

I think she's got a council flat, what happens to those? I suppose her parents would have to clear it?

You can check the sentencing guidelines to get an idea of her likely sentence. There's no mention of mi6, but there is mention of
Position of trust
Prolonged and repeated offending
Very large amount
Impact on the victims, including the social club

GDB2222

MIL had repeated falls. Once the balance goes that seems to keep happening.

Why so long before they told you?

Spirit_2

GDB2222 wrote: »

MIL had repeated falls. Once the balance goes that seems to keep happening.

Why so long before they told you?

My mum died as the outcome of a fall. She had not previousy fallen. but i know from personal experience that if you balance is off then very minor movemnts can throw you and you have no chance of correcting it. Last night whilsst getting out of bed my spongy left knee shook and gave way, however I have enough balance to recover the situation so no fall.