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Do any NP know about electric cars?
Having got beyond frustrated with our car of late I am thinking of changing, currently we run a diesel as on 10-12k miles a tear it saves a lot in fuel but apparently our mileage pattern (most journeys of 2-5 miles) are very bad for modern diesel engines (hence the reliability issues). Looking at all options such short journeys are very bad news for mileage on all fuel types except pure electric options or plug in hybrids that can run electric only (diesel poor miles when cold and reliability issues, petrol poor miles when cold, standard hybrids start petrol engine and warm it up rather than running on pure electric when cold, LPG does not switch to gas until warm on petrol).
Electric cars you obviously don't get the range for the occasional long journey so would need to have another car as well or hire, plug in hybrids are very expensive having only been around for a few years so depreciation becomes an issue. There is also the problem that we would ideally like a 7+ seater so we can take the kids and their friends sometimes and there is nothing electric or plug in hybrid that does this.I think....0 -
Do any NP know about electric cars?
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Not enough to be helpful.
The new high end ones are really quite something. Tesla, BMW, etc.
But not cost effective from an MSE perspective.
If I were you I'd be looking at a cheap 2nd hand with low miles petrol people carrier. Should be reliable and not cost a lot to run.
You can get a 1.6 petrol VW Touran for around £6K with less than 50K miles. Should run forever....
If you want diesel I can highly recommend the old VW/Audi 1.9 diesel units, which I think are also available in used Tourans. We have one in an Audi that's nearing 200K miles with not a single breakdown.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Not enough to be helpful.
The new high end ones are really quite something. Tesla, BMW, etc.
But not cost effective from an MSE perspective.
If I were you I'd be looking at a cheap 2nd hand with low miles petrol people carrier. Should be reliable and not cost a lot to run.
Given the miles we do it is unlikely to get more than 8 miles / litre (36mpg) which means 1800 pa on petrol. If instead 9k of those miles are on electric it is more likely to only cost about 750pa. I am trying to figure out whether having a (pre-depreciated) large diesel people carrier for the odd longer journey / more people and a plug in electric for all other journeys could be more cost effective....
Edit my DSis had a Touran, no end of mechanical problems and apparently they were not alone, not sure if it was petrol or diesel thoughI think....0 -
Given the miles we do it is unlikely to get more than 8 miles / litre (36mpg) which means 1800 pa on petrol. If instead 9k of those miles are on electric it is more likely to only cost about 750pa. I am trying to figure out whether having a (pre-depreciated) large diesel people carrier for the odd longer journey / more people and a plug in electric for all other journeys could be more cost effective....
Maybe.
Problem is the used e-cars depreciate like a demon and there's an expensive battery pack replacement going to happen at some point.
I think the new ones now, 3rd and 4th generation, will be better but the depreciation will wipe out any cost savings from reliability and running costs.
In my mind, we're still 3-4 years away from used e-cars being a good bet.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
Edit my DSis had a Touran, no end of mechanical problems and apparently they were not alone, not sure if it was petrol or diesel though
Interesting.
We've run Audi diesels now for the last 4 cars.
Never had a breakdown in 500K miles.... But the current high-miler, while still mechanically strong, is having a lot of mildly annoying minor niggles with interior electrics.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
Given the miles we do it is unlikely to get more than 8 miles / litre (36mpg) which means 1800 pa on petrol. If instead 9k of those miles are on electric it is more likely to only cost about 750pa. I am trying to figure out whether having a (pre-depreciated) large diesel people carrier for the odd longer journey / more people and a plug in electric for all other journeys could be more cost effective....
Edit my DSis had a Touran, no end of mechanical problems and apparently they were not alone, not sure if it was petrol or diesel though
When you say an electric car, do you mean a proper one, that might survive a crash, or a GWiz?No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?0 -
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Doozers were trying with an electric van, I think they deemed it unworkable.
I used to follow an !car website with lust, but got board when no progress made. Firs dream car apterra, went under and was sold to another company ....I'd love the original two seat tesla. ( were would the dogs sit?) .
I haven't read one of those sites for years, but finding one and seeing what they are saying now might be worth considering.0 -
lostinrates wrote: »Doozers were trying with an electric van, I think they deemed it unworkable.
I used to follow an !car website with lust, but got board when no progress made. Firs dream car apterra, went under and was sold to another company ....I'd love the original two seat tesla. ( were would the dogs sit?) .
I haven't read one of those sites for years, but finding one and seeing what they are saying now might be worth considering.
Where would the dogs sit? That's easy. They would sit in the front, taking turns driving.No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?0 -
When you say an electric car, do you mean a proper one, that might survive a crash, or a GWiz?
Needs to have at least 5 seats, if they made a 7 seater outlander phev (as they do for the petrol and diesel) it might be of interest.
On exchange and mart there is a renault fluence for 7k, hideously ugly, no hatch and being electric only we would need a second car or to hire but the price means that depreciation is limited....
Also seen this on ebay but the price is too low so I fear expensive problems:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181548467111I think....0
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