help with social worker rights for 16 year old

buddythedog

Person_one wrote: »

Why do you want to know that though? What's stopping you and your son accepting help offered? What's worrying you?

Wot worrying me is that they r not wanting to help with his issue ...but an aligation!made against me a couple years ago ...at the time they visited my home spoke to my son and closed it ...
Last me I visited them hopping they were going support us with after care ...to find out ...They were only interested in old aligation ....told them to ....off
since then they have spoken to my son ....who's told them he'shappy and safe ...then fFriday they call him again when I was working ...He told them the same again and he didn't wanna meet ....but they told him they r gonna b at my house monday with his cams worker ...cams worker and cams doctor have visited the house already on a couple of occasions ......
no one has asked told or arranged anything with me .....
and this is upsetting my son .....
do they really have that right to do this to my 16 year old ...?

moomoomama27

buddythedog wrote: »

Wot worrying me is that they r not wanting to help with his issue ...but an aligation!made against me a couple years ago ...at the time they visited my home spoke to my son and closed it ...
Last me I visited them hopping they were going support us with after care ...to find out ...They were only interested in old aligation ....told them to ....off
since then they have spoken to my son ....who's told them he'shappy and safe ...then fFriday they call him again when I was working ...He told them the same again and he didn't wanna meet ....but they told him they r gonna b at my house monday with his cams worker ...cams worker and cams doctor have visited the house already on a couple of occasions ......
no one has asked told or arranged anything with me .....
and this is upsetting my son .....
do they really have that right to do this to my 16 year old ...?

Yes they do if they have a concern. They have the legal right to investigate any issues surrounding safeguarding, and theu are obviously concerned to make numerous contacts with yur son.

It could be that they feel he is unsafe (depending on the issues with his mental health, and the casues behind it), it could be that he has disclosed something to CAMHS that you are not aware of.

Sometimes teenagers don't know what is good for them, and can be very reluctant to accept help. But for CAMHS and SS to be involved, it's obviously something that they feel is important to address.

Ms_Chocaholic

Do you have any other children in the house?
Could your son's behaviour pose a risk to them?

All the Social Worker will be doing is an assessment of the situation to ensure your son is safe.

They do not remove children from their parents care unnecessarily. Unfortunately they receive a lot of bad press due to lots of articles in the press but unfortunately they are unable to give their own viewpoint due to doing so would be a breach of confidentiality.

Indie_Kid

moomoomama27 wrote: »

SS get alot of negative press, but their job is to help families and children in need of support.

Which has never been my experience. I had to beg for support which never happened. I then tried to get help last year over a few issues. They refused to listen to me and decided that all the professionals involved in my care are liars.:mad: I refused to do what they said because it was something I could not deal with and was just labeled as awkward.

elsien

Have you considered that they make be thinking that the old allegation may be related to his current mental health difficulties? That maybe it's not an old allegation but an ongoing situation, which is why they are wanting to assure themselves that this isn't the case?
From that perspective, they may need to see him and double check that there isn't more to his problems. Then if there is nothing to it they can signpost elsewhere or sign the case off again.
An old allegation, followed by a breakdown of some sort, followed by a family not wanting social services involved with the child has probably made someone wonder and decide to check it out a bit more.

I know you do want help, and you would much prefer it to be from Cahms, I'm just suggesting a reason why they might be being more insistent.

meritaten

I think Elsien may be right - this stems from an old case being 'resurrected'. They just want to come in and chat and make sure that everything is ok.
I can understand that you don't want this - but refusal to co-operate will be seen as 'having something to hide' and you will NEVER get them off your back.

Play the game - invite them in, give them tea and biscuits and be open with them. that way they are far more likely to say that a followup is not needed. or to give you time and space to work things out for yourselves (though saying that sometimes the input of a Social Worker is invaluable if Mental Health Services are not what they should be)..

alias*alibi

SunReader wrote: »

Careful here, social services are the new gods, immune to legal prosecution with powers well above the police and organised criminals.

What next? your reluctance to co-operate results in a safeguarding alerts -you are clearly a bad parent in their view.

Next, take the kid into care -another box ticked removing any repercussions to the social worker who signed it off...and who gives a toss if the kid gets shafted up the !!!! daily and riuns his life -look at the amount of SS that are 'unavailable' for comment following the Runcorn business.

A couple of things to remember: most social workers are sub burger flipping national minumum wage calibre, but many have big mortgages so they will lie and deceive ignoring all legal responsibilities.

your rights? fark all. Bend over, take it up the !!!! and protect your son who is clearly in a vulnerable position and do not let social services get their teeth in, otherwise you will never remove the scum form your life. Been there, done it.

Give them boxes to tick, show continued improvement and thank them for their 'help' . They are simple minded folk and and really couldn't give a toss either way - you need to remove any legal responsibility form them and show that problems are being taken into account and dealt with. Think checklists and boxes to tick.

Good call asking for advice, learn from other's mistakes and get a game plan from day 1. They will have no problems taking your son and ruining his life.

If you can't agree, get proper lega advice and if neccessary involve court of protection -this is one court they don't want to f+ck with.

Wow. Just wow. That's the biggest load of carp I've read in a long time.

OP; social workers aren't the enemy. They will want to see that your son is safe and well, whether there is any other help he may need/signpost him to other services. If he has siblings they will want to make sure the siblings are ok too/coping ok, plus whether indeed yourself may need support.

alias*alibi

Guest101 wrote: »

I suggest you record the SWers visit with a camera, so that all evidenced.

Chances are they are there to be supportive, if not...

Bad advice. Unless you tell the social worker you are recording them in advance this 'evidence' will not be not considered as part of a complaint or in a court of law.

alias*alibi

buddythedog wrote: »

But wot I really want to know is ...... at the age of 16 .. do social worker still have the right to nose into your business.... IIf the 16 year don't want any help.... can they in force it on a 16 year old family .....?

Yes because he is still considered a child!

alias*alibi

buddythedog wrote: »

Not rude at all ...... They r not offering any help that we need ....tThey r going on a allegation that was made a couple of years ago ...that has already been followed up ..and closed ....We now getting all the support that is gonna help him ....and no really do need this !!!! from them ....had seen then last week thinking they were going to give us eextra support ....but turns out they r looking into the past allegation. .....so I'm not rude .....iits them that rude by not listening to my son or i

Rather than fight them just let them do their job. If you really do feel aggrieved then make a complaint. It's always best to work with social workers rather than against because if they see that you won't engage they will wonder what you are trying to hide.

Edited to say that after reading further I too feel that they may think this is linked to the previous allegation. You would be wise to engage with them rather than fight and tell them to **** off as that's not going to do you any favours!