Economists Urge Scotland to Vote No......

robmatic

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Seriously.....


Best.


Day.


Ever.

Nah, Sturgeon is still there, isn't she?

ruggedtoast

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Seriously.....


Best.


Day.


Ever.

The nationalists have been defeated. Salmond has gone, and Standard Life is up 6p a share.

Not bad for a Friday.

ash28

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Seriously.....


Best.


Day.


Ever.

Fella

So on the face of it Cameron has laid a neat trap for Miliband re English MPs & English laws etc. Miliband now in the horrible position of having to be the leader of the party offering no EU referendum and no greater control of English law for English people, versus the Tories offering both.

Nevertheless I'm a little shocked at how glibly Cameron has effectively gone back on his promise for greater powers for Scotland, about 0.01 seconds after the result. He has plenty of form for promising & then not delivering (i.e. an EU vote last time round) & the last thing he should risk at the moment is anything that encourages the public to view him conclusively as someone who will wriggle out of his promises in this area.

A big day for British politics & not just in the way most anticipated IMO.

chewmylegoff

Fella wrote: »

A big day for British politics & not just in the way most anticipated IMO.

I suppose we should have seen it coming but the focus was on the biased media reporting the panic in the Westminster ranks. Four milliseconds after it was confirmed there was a No vote, the Tories were all over the West Lothian question. Normally I believe that governments are too incompetent and leaky to keep anything a secret but this was clearly the plan all along...Scotland votes no and we're suddenly into English votes for English matters. Call me cynical...

Kohoutek

The people have spoken!

michaels

chewmylegoff wrote: »

I suppose we should have seen it coming but the focus was on the biased media reporting the panic in the Westminster ranks. Four milliseconds after it was confirmed there was a No vote, the Tories were all over the West Lothian question. Normally I believe that governments are too incompetent and leaky to keep anything a secret but this was clearly the plan all along...Scotland votes no and we're suddenly into English votes for English matters. Call me cynical...

As someone more erudite than I put it, the Scots didn't realise they were voting for an English Parliament

You are still a bit of a beginner when it comes to conspiracy theories, mine was that the Tories (well DC anyway) was hoping for a 'Yes' to give him a chance of effectively winning the next election by default, whilst of course also for electoral reasons he couldn't be seen as doing anything but campaigning for a no - I half expected him to accept the debate with Salmond in the hope that Yes would land a knock out blow....

padington

michaels wrote: »

As someone more erudite than I put it, the Scots didn't realise they were voting for an English Parliament

You are still a bit of a beginner when it comes to conspiracy theories, mine was that the Tories (well DC anyway) was hoping for a 'Yes' to give him a chance of effectively winning the next election by default, whilst of course also for electoral reasons he couldn't be seen as doing anything but campaigning for a no - I half expected him to accept the debate with Salmond in the hope that Yes would land a knock out blow....

It was always a win win for the Tory's. A great chess move.

chewmylegoff

michaels wrote: »

As someone more erudite than I put it, the Scots didn't realise they were voting for an English Parliament

You are still a bit of a beginner when it comes to conspiracy theories, mine was that the Tories (well DC anyway) was hoping for a 'Yes' to give him a chance of effectively winning the next election by default, whilst of course also for electoral reasons he couldn't be seen as doing anything but campaigning for a no - I half expected him to accept the debate with Salmond in the hope that Yes would land a knock out blow....

The trouble with that theory, which is fairly obvious, is that if Cameron had "Lost Scotland" it is pretty unlikely that he would have been fighting the next election as leader. I don't believe politicians are altruistic in the sense that they would sacrifice their own career for the greater good of the party.

My view is that Cameron cares far more about his own career and legacy than the short or long term future prospects of his party. I don't think he would be prepared to sacrifice himself and be remembered as a failed prime minister in order to pave the way for a Boris led government.

IveSeenTheLight

chewmylegoff wrote: »

The trouble with that theory, which is fairly obvious, is that if Cameron had "Lost Scotland" it is pretty unlikely that he would have been fighting the next election as leader. I don't believe politicians are altruistic in the sense that they would sacrifice their own career for the greater good of the party.

My view is that Cameron cares far more about his own career and legacy than the short or long term future prospects of his party. I don't think he would be prepared to sacrifice himself and be remembered as a failed prime minister in order to pave the way for a Boris led government.

The problem the DC has is that he may not have the backing of his backbenchers over the promises made for Scotland.

You have to say well played though as they have backed Labour back into a corner.

They have been in a coalition where the Lib Dems are much derided and now have put Labour into what seems as an impossible position.

I guess their main concern may be the UKIP uprising.