Economists Urge Scotland to Vote No......

ruggedtoast

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Nick Robinson summed it up for me stating along the lines of...

2 weeks ago, anyone in the BT campaign facing these results would be panicking and asking how on earth it could be that near 50% of the Scottish population would actually vote yes. Instead, they are breathing huge sighs of relief. Never did they imagine the vote could be this close.

For me. Yes, it's a NO vote. But who thought 4 weeks ago it would be this close?

I personally think there's more relief going on than a sense of victory.

The rest of us in the UK should be thanking the Scots though for having the gumption to get up and do this. They've taken an absolute kicking from us, but have also set change in motion, for all of us.

What on earth are you talking about Graham?

ruggedtoast

Has anyone managed to do any gloating yet? Its the right thing to do.

I am too busy at work at the moment but I am going to get a few beers in and do some really committed gloating this evening. I am going to start off on Andy Murray's Twitter feed, then the Guardian comments, and then finish off on Wings.

I dont think there is much more that can make the Yes cyber bozos feel any worse about themselves than they already do, but I just think if we all unify and work together on this, then that might just be it. And that makes it worth it if nothing else.

wotsthat

Graham_Devon wrote: »

For me. Yes, it's a NO vote. But who thought 4 weeks ago it would be this close?

Who would have thought just 24 hours ago the margin would be so big? Not me - it wasn't until the Yougov chap effectively promised to eat his hat at 10:30pm if yes won that I decided not to do an all nighter.

Even this morning the BBC were struggling to find a no voter on their way to work willing to talk to them. There must be bemusement in offices and factories across Scotland as they all wonder how no won when everyone they talk to says they voted yes.

Graham_Devon wrote: »

The rest of us in the UK should be thanking the Scots though for having the gumption to get up and do this. They've taken an absolute kicking from us, but have also set change in motion, for all of us.

You must be still drunk on democracy.

'We', 'us' (whatever that means) didn't give anyone an absolute kicking.

chewmylegoff

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Nick Robinson summed it up for me stating along the lines of...

2 weeks ago, anyone in the BT campaign facing these results would be panicking and asking how on earth it could be that near 50% of the Scottish population would actually vote yes. Instead, they are breathing huge sighs of relief. Never did they imagine the vote could be this close.

For me. Yes, it's a NO vote. But who thought 4 weeks ago it would be this close?

I personally think there's more relief going on than a sense of victory.

The rest of us in the UK should be thanking the Scots though for having the gumption to get up and do this. They've taken an absolute kicking from us, but have also set change in motion, for all of us.

Pretty much everyone as about a month ago the polls broadly reflected the vote - I.e. 55/45...

55/45 is not close, it is a significant margin of victory.

ruggedtoast

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

I asked lets not get into statistics as you could equally say that 19.18% fewer people voted for Independence.

Of course you would choose a higher statistic to allow yourself to be triumphant



And in context, the regions are not a equal representation of the electorate, This is why we saw the first five or so smaller councils No lead balanced out when the Dundee City region came in.



So to put this in context, for every 9 voters, 5 voted No, 4 voted Yes

You think that this qualifies as giving the 4 a well deserved kicking.

I feel sorry you have such a negative self centered mindset and glad you do not align with the politicians from both sides who have agreed we need to move on and work together.

There is an ancient Chinese proverb:

He who has lost and does not realise he has lost is indeed the most massive of losers.

This is a great day for democracy, a great day for the Union, a great day for Britain, and a great day for everyone who has spent the last two years telling you, Shakey, Zagubov, Beecher, Leanne and ssSS5 that you are all going to be big fat losers.

And you are!

:money:



(The only thing that dampens my excitement somewhat is that the No vote you so despise has inadvertently saved your buy to let landlord empire so that as a boomer you can continue sucking the marrow from hard working Gen X and Y families.)

CLAPTON

It's not possible to say what the consequences of this will be yet.


If all the people of the UK are to be treated fairly in the future then those that disproportionately benefit now will be to some extent losers.

Who knows, maybe pulling the lion's tail will have unexpected consequences.


We want a fairer Britain will all the people treated equally.

Generali

CLAPTON wrote: »

It's not possible to say what the consequences of this will be yet.


If all the people of the UK are to be treated fairly in the future then those that disproportionately benefit now will be to some extent losers.

Who knows, maybe pulling the lion's tail will have unexpected consequences.


We want a fairer Britain will all the people treated equally.

Part of the problem is that different people define equal differently. Does that mean equality of opportunity or equality of outcome?

If the former, what to do about people born to wealth who have greater access to education, health care and later on greater assets from which to earn an income? (Inheritance tax should be at ~100% IMHO. I believe in equality of opportunity).

If the latter, what to do about the indolent who want the spoils without the effort?

CLAPTON

Generali wrote: »

Part of the problem is that different people define equal differently. Does that mean equality of opportunity or equality of outcome?

If the former, what to do about people born to wealth who have greater access to education, health care and later on greater assets from which to earn an income? (Inheritance tax should be at ~100% IMHO. I believe in equality of opportunity).

If the latter, what to do about the indolent who want the spoils without the effort?

Obviously 'fairer' is meaningless like 'sustainability', 'affordable' but are political code words.
During the Scottish campaign 'fairer' actually meant that Scotland could keep the oil wealth and beggar their Welsh/ NI / English neighbours whilst sounding noble.


It all remains to see how it plays out but I think it will be difficult to justify the current outcome of the Barrett formula in a future where all the 4 countries have their own 'parliaments'.


Given I don't think there is a money tree readily available, one geographical area's gain will have to be another's loss.


So the concept of fairness could be played out by Wales, NI and the English with Scotland being the financial loser: of cause they would have with a lot more independence and ability to produce their own jobs and wealth.

Generali

CLAPTON wrote: »

ability to produce their own jobs and wealth.

I hate this phrase (sorry I know it's not yours, your quoting others).

How can Scotland produce jobs and wealth with the policies they're planning? Scotland votes hard left or at least has done since the 1970s. Those are votes for fewer jobs and less wealth.

That one has the ability to pick rules doesn't mean that one would pick good ones!

I fear for the future of the UK as a result of these selfish fools in the SNP. They've utterly failed in their aims but have opened a can of worms in Wales and (possibly) especially Northern Ireland. I think most people would agree that it's worth a decent slug of money going to NI to allow them to get over the decades of The Troubles and prevent (hopefully) a slide back to that mess.

Rinoa

ruggedtoast wrote: »

(The only thing that dampens my excitement somewhat is that the No vote you so despise has inadvertently saved your buy to let landlord empire so that as a boomer you can continue sucking the marrow from hard working Gen X and Y families.)

Almost certainly, it was the wise boomers who ensured a comfortable NO vote.