Economists Urge Scotland to Vote No......

Generali

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Utter humiliation for the Yes campaign.

Record turnout almost everywhere, but lowest turnout in strongest Yes areas, Glasgow and Dundee.

10% lead for No across Scotland.

What a great day for Scotland and the UK.

It's a 10 percentage point lead for No however 20% more people voted No than Yes. I think it's important to remember just how much of a trouncing this is for Nationalism. The Scottish people have shouted from the rooftops that they want the Union, not an independent Scotland.

IveSeenTheLight

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Heh....

Electoral fraud being investigated in Glasgow for impersonation..... (why am I not surprised) Police fingerprinting ballot papers.

It will be important to at least reprimand these people, but really a margin error of 10 votes over the Glasgow ballot will not have made a difference.

When I voted last night, I noticed my wife's name had not been scored off as they scored mine.
I informed them that my wife had already voted.

No doubt there could be human error in there as well, so no point in jumping to conclusions and trying to imply it was one side of the vote.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Wings are tweeting fraud allegations because someone saw a Yes ballot paper on a table marked No..... :rotfl:

There is links from when Sky zoomed into a a pile of votes with the Yes on top of a No pile.

There is another where a counter lifted 1 vote off the no pile and swapped it with two from the yes pile.

As I said, I'm sure there are human error instances so late through the night, but I doubt these are significant enough to affect the result.

Generali

Bad luck mate. Hopefully we can all get back to business as usual.

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

It will be important to at least reprimand these people, but really a margin error of 10 votes over the Glasgow ballot will not have made a difference.

When I voted last night, I noticed my wife's name had not been scored off as they scored mine.
I informed them that my wife had already voted.

No doubt there could be human error in there as well, so no point in jumping to conclusions and trying to imply it was one side of the vote.

There is links from when Sky zoomed into a a pile of votes with the Yes on top of a No pile.

There is another where a counter lifted 1 vote off the no pile and swapped it with two from the yes pile.

As I said, I'm sure there are human error instances so late through the night, but I doubt these are significant enough to affect the result.

That's the significance of the extent of the victory. Unlike with 1979 there can be no lingering resentment that Scots were done over somehow. A simple majority was required and gained.

IveSeenTheLight

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Utter humiliation for the Yes campaign.

Hardly, 1.6 million voters expressing their view is hardly humiliation.

We've all expressed our opinions and votes, there's no need for one upmanship. Time to move on as per the will of the Scottish electorate.

Let's hope that this is a wake-up call for politics in Scotland and across the whole of the UK

IveSeenTheLight

Generali wrote: »

England doesn't want more devolved powers though and nor does Wales AFAICS.

What is interesting for me is that Tory backbenchers are threatening to resolve the West Lothian question. That'll throw a spanner in the works for Labour Governments!

I understand Cameron is going to devolve some matters to the major cities across the ROUK.

You make a good point about how the Lothian answer will result in Labour having issues making policy in the ROUK without the Scottish vote.

Generali

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Hardly, 1.6 million voters expressing their view is hardly humiliation.

We've all expressed our opinions and votes, there's no need for one upmanship. Time to move on as per the will of the Scottish electorate.

Let's hope that this is a wake-up call for politics in Scotland and across the whole of the UK

In fairness, the day after the end of a 2 year long campaign which has been marked by a thumping victory is exactly the time for triumphalism. I'm sure you'd be !!!! a hoop if Yes had won.

Tomorrow is the time to look to the future and resolve some of the issues that this campaign has brought to the fore, notably how the nations that make up the UK are funded and what to do about the West Lothian question. I think this campaign has shined a light on some parts of the British Constitution that would have been better staying in the dark.

Generali

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

I understand Cameron is going to devolve some matters to the major cities across the ROUK.

You make a good point about how the Lothian answer will result in Labour having issues making policy in the ROUK without the Scottish vote.

It's a huge problem, potentially. Especially if more powers are to be devolved to Scotland. There's not much point passing a budget if you can't spend the money.

IveSeenTheLight

Generali wrote: »

It's a 10 percentage point lead for No however 20% more people voted No than Yes. I think it's important to remember just how much of a trouncing this is for Nationalism. The Scottish people have shouted from the rooftops that they want the Union, not an independent Scotland.

Let's not get into statistics of this as you could quite easily pronounce that it only needs 9.59% of the No voters to change their mind if the Union does not deliver on it's promises

When you consider it only needs a 9.59% change from no and there was 15.41% non voters, there could easily be an appetite for change if the promised are not kept and the "grey" vote moves on.

Let's accept that for now, the electorate of Scotland have made their choice and we all need to work together to make Scotland and the RoUK stronger going forward.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Hardly

23.7% more people voted no than yes.

28/32 regions voted No.

The separatists got a well deserved kicking last night.

chewmylegoff

It would create some interesting issues especially if further things like welfare were devolved. The long term situation would probably be a conservative 'government' in English with various socialists in power in Scotland and Wales. It would be quite likely that quite a significant divide would arise in how much free money the respective governments were willing to dole out indefinitely to the "economically inactive".