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NiftyDigits

dickydonkin wrote: »

I don't know why I am wasting my time again, but just to clarify this point that is seemingly directed at me, can you please highlight where I have stated on this thread that I 'would never fly economy class'?

If you read my posts thoroughly, you will see I quoted:

dickydonkin wrote: »

Just to add, I never pay full price for a J or First cabin (I am not a Tesco tourist either), but flying regularly allows me to take advantage of FF loyalty schemes which allows me to travel in a more comfortable cabin.

I too could show recent examples of great deals I have enjoyed, but to be honest, I just cannot be bothered.

Thank goodness...as this is a thread about possible 'error fares' out of the UK and Europe.

dickydonkin

duchy wrote: »

Anyone genuinely interested in mistake fares rather than a willy waving competition may find the threads on the millage run forums at flyertalk interesting.

The 'tier point' run threads you allude to are not totally aimed at 'mistake fares', but are posted on FT to show decent point bearing runs to attain/maintain airline FF status using the best routes available, offering the most tier points at the best price possible.

'Mistake fares' have also occurred in the past with First and Business class seats and is not unique to economy flights as some people seem to be suggesting. That is not willy waving - just a fact - something sadly lacking on this thread.

And to add - the majority of the flights that yield the best (and quickest) tier points are J and F class seats (or First in the US where no domestic J seat is available). Economy tickets don't offer a great amount of tier points.

It is generally the ratio of cost per tier point to mile that is the major factor with these runs -not the total price in itself.

NiftyDigits

dickydonkin wrote: »

The 'tier point' run threads you allude to are not totally aimed at 'mistake fares', but are posted on FT to show decent point bearing runs to attain/maintain airline FF status using the best routes available, offering the most tier points at the best price possible.

'Mistake fares' have also occurred in the past with First and Business class seats and is not unique to economy flights as some people seem to be suggesting. That is not willy waving - just a fact - something sadly lacking on this thread.

And to add - the majority of the flights that yield the best (and quickest) tier points are J and F class seats (or First in the US where no J seat is available). Economy tickets don't offer a great amount of tier points.

It is generally the ratio of cost per tier point to mile that is the major factor with these runs -not the total price in itself.

Who suggested that they were only in Economy?? In fact the link provided by malkie76 showed examples of error pricing in Business and First.

The fact is that you have no experience with booking an error fare in any class....but here you are with multiple posts in a thread concerning a supposed error fare out of the UK/Europe....arguing with people who have a lot of experience in booking these fares.

So please, give it a rest.

dickydonkin

photome wrote: »

There are 2 posters on here who are very vociferous about error fares being cancelled/amended yet neither of them have ever booked one and neither can point to it ever happening from the UK.

In fact one of them goes on to make a point thet they would never fly economy class.

does beg the question as to why they are so interested

Nifty thanks for the insight

Please highlight where I have stated that these 'error fares' would be cancelled.

I have agreed with other contributors that POTENTIALLY there is a risk that there COULD be additional charges. I have never stated on here the degree of likelihood of such a situation occurring so I would be grateful if you could read my posts more thoroughly.

On another point - there is a fixation of UK legislation in respect of airline cancelling/amending fares - unfortunately, a lot of legislation applied here in the UK is based on EU directives, so rather than specifically refer to precedents in the UK and persistent puerile name calling and misquoting, perhaps a more broader perspective should be applied.

As for niftydigits - I won't see your response - you are on my ignore list as the poster in question and his/her apologists seem incapable of having a rational debate.

That said - I hope you enjoy your trip.

shaun_from_Africa

Personally, I don't see any problem at all with someone who has never booked an error fare giving advice on what might happen should the airlines decide to cancel these tickets.

I've never been stopped for speeding, nor have I ever received a parking ticket of any sort, so does this mean that I don't understand the laws regarding these things?
I would be extremely surprised if too many of the posters on MSE actually have first hand experience of all of the topics that they advise on, so should all of their advice be ignored?

I agree that it's unlikely that Virgin will actually cancel the tickets booked with incorrect fares, but even if there is only a small chance of this happening, what's wrong with pointing this out?

I think that ultimately it will come down to how many were booked and how much it will cost the airline. if it's only a few dozen seats then they will probably have no problem absorbing the cost but if due to the error being talked about on multiple websites, the number of bookings is in the hundreds, they may decide that they can't afford to simply cover the cost themselves.

NiftyDigits

dickydonkin wrote: »

Please highlight where I have stated that these 'error fares' would be cancelled.

I have agreed with other contributors that POTENTIALLY there is a risk that there COULD be additional charges. I have never stated on here the degree of likelihood of such a situation occurring so I would be grateful if you could read my posts more thoroughly.

On another point - there is a fixation of UK legislation in respect of airline cancelling/amending fares - unfortunately, a lot of legislation applied here in the UK is based on EU directives, so rather than specifically refer to precedents in the UK and persistent puerile name calling and misquoting, perhaps a more broader perspective should be applied.

As for niftydigits - I won't see your response - you are on my ignore list as the poster in question and his/her apologists seem incapable of having a rational debate.

That said - I hope you enjoy your trip.

Rational debate?

Let's look at some of your posts:

Malkie is simply suggesting (based on precedence) that there is a potential risk that additional fees may be requested before departure - or worst case scenario, the carrier may cancel.

For those who have snapped up the 'bargain' then good luck and enjoy your trip. but using the old analogy of anything that sounds too good to be true probably is - just be aware that the 'deal' may not be all it turns out to be.

Neither yourself nor malkie where able to highlight a single instance flying out of the UK or Europe.
Your second paragraph attempted to put more emphasis...this from someone who has never booked an 'error' fare.

As you are quite confident that there will be no issues with your fare, then why not leave it at that then once you have had a trouble free flight (although flying long haul in Y with changes certainly does not appeal to me and I would certainly find that scenario 'troublesome'), you can have the satisfaction of coming back on here confirming you were right and everyone else was wrong.

Indeed, why did you not leave it at that?? You don't have any experience with these bookings and I do. So surely you are the one who needs to wait for the 'proof', not I.

Why you felt the need to mention the fact that you don't like to fly long haul in Economy is anyone's guess.
Both yourself and malkie have mentioned this. Why?
I didn't suggest that my flight was in the Economy cabin and we know that 'error fares' can be booked in every class.
You just made yourself look bad and then carried on downwards from then on. As indicated here:

It seems you would rather persist in puerile behaviour and silly name calling which kind of indicates the type of person you are when (likely) far more experienced travellers are trying to offer advice on the potential pitfalls of these so called bargains. Ignore at your peril.

Oh the irony..... puerile behaviour and silly name calling

In addition, you could not highlight a single traveller who was more 'experienced' than I in booking these fares.

Have you not taken your medication today?

puerile behaviour and silly name calling(?)

I couldn't care less if your trip is cancelled or if your trip is trouble free.

In your shoes, I would be delighted at bagging a flight at a great price and thanking all of the posters who issued a caveat in respect of purchasing a fare that may or may not be a glitch.

You are really embarrassing yourself.

If you don't care, then why are you posting repeatedly on this thread??

As to thanking the posters.... I already told you that there is no such problem with my fare. So why would I thank a naysayer??

Again...more irony.

No - for the very simple reason I have not booked one!
however, in general, the fares you refer to (in a lot of cases) can require a positioning flight, ungodly flight times, long layovers, cramped cabins etc. and to be honest, such journeys do not appeal to me.

Then you admit that you have never booked one of these fares and then continue to fabricate entirely a scenario... in general, the fares you refer to (in a lot of cases) can require a positioning flight, ungodly flight times, long layovers, cramped cabins etc

This from someone who has no experience in booking these flights at all...yet you are posting, posting, posting...
Just looking at my itinerary; Flight at 9.30am, lands at 10.40am, there is a 'stopover' of just over an hour and then a direct flight to the long haul destination. Ungodly flight time? Long layover?Cramped cabin? What has that to do with an 'error fare?

That is certainly not a criticism of those who do take these onerous flights as for many, it is an affordable option for them to see the world on a restricted budget.

You should have stopped digging when advised....

.I think we have wasted too much of our time on here - time that we will never get back!

But you kept on posting...

I don't know why I am wasting my time again, but just to clarify this point that is seemingly directed at me, can you please highlight where I have stated on this thread that I 'would never fly economy class'?

Apart from your earlier comment, we had this:

You don't know me - you don't know my travel patterns - and as I am the wrong side of fifty, over those years I can certainly state that I have travelled the world extensively - on many carriers, aircraft and cabins - thankfully nowadays moreso in the pointy end of the plane

Yuk!

I too could show recent examples of great deals I have enjoyed, but to be honest, I just cannot be bothered.

and more yuk!

'Mistake fares' have also occurred in the past with First and Business class seats and is not unique to economy flights as some people seem to be suggesting.

Erm...it was you who suggested it! I certainly did not tell you that my flight was in Economy. See here:

although flying long haul in Y with changes certainly does not appeal to me and I would certainly find that scenario 'troublesome

UK legislation??

On another point - there is a fixation of UK legislation in respect of airline cancelling/amending fares - unfortunately, a lot of legislation applied here in the UK is based on EU directives, so rather than specifically refer to precedents in the UK and persistent puerile name calling and misquoting, perhaps a more broader perspective should be applied.

I ask for examples flying out of UK and/or Europe. You did not come up with even a single example.

Rational debate?

NiftyDigits

shaun_from_Africa wrote: »

Personally, I don't see any problem at all with someone who has never booked an error fare giving advice on what might happen should the airlines decide to cancel these tickets.

I've never been stopped for speeding, nor have I ever received a parking ticket of any sort, so does this mean that I don't understand the laws regarding these things?
I would be extremely surprised if too many of the posters on MSE actually have first hand experience of all of the topics that they advise on, so should all of their advice be ignored?

I agree that it's unlikely that Virgin will actually cancel the tickets booked with incorrect fares, but even if there is only a small chance of this happening, what's wrong with pointing this out?

I think that ultimately it will come down to how many were booked and how much it will cost the airline. if it's only a few dozen seats then they will probably have no problem absorbing the cost but if due to the error being talked about on multiple websites, the number of bookings is in the hundreds, they may decide that they can't afford to simply cover the cost themselves.

Poor analogy. The argument is that no one has evidence of anyone in this country being issued with a parking ticket.
See the difference?

Nothing wrong with it being pointed out, but then the posters in question went on an on...digging, digging, digging....and coming up with nothing. So then began bragging about how they don't fly Economy...

So it's probably best that you don't hitch yourself to their wagon.

I already stated earlier that I agreed that those booking a trip where the YQ was unusual, should hold off on booking non refundable accommodation, at least for a short period.

But none of my fares have a problem with this component. Yet malkie, with no experience in these matters, continued to argue with me about my fare. Someone with twenty years of experience of finding the best deals against someone who has not booked even a single one.

dickydonkin

NiftyDigits wrote: »

My fare might or might not be an error. But....where are these error fares that have not been honoured? There is a lot of empty talk on this thread. But please show examples out of the UK or Europe.

Potentially here.

http://www.secretflying.com/2015/02/united-airlines-cancelled-ticket-heres/

http://www.secretflying.com/2015/02/crazy-error-fare-1st-class-london-usa-50/

This was following an 'error fare' available yesterday where many destinations to the US from Europe were selling on United Airlines website (first class as well) for around £50.00.

Many received conformation after the bookings, but once the error was discovered, it seems that they are not honouring the fares.......yet!

It will be interesting to see what happens.

NiftyDigits

dickydonkin wrote: »

Potentially here.

http://www.secretflying.com/2015/02/united-airlines-cancelled-ticket-heres/

http://www.secretflying.com/2015/02/crazy-error-fare-1st-class-london-usa-50/

This was following an 'error fare' available yesterday where many destinations to the US from Europe were selling on United Airlines website (first class as well) for around £50.00.

Many received conformation after the bookings, but once the error was discovered, it seems that they are not honouring the fares.......yet!

It will be interesting to see what happens.

So you come back five months later, posting about an error fare of First Class flights to the USA for £50 and you think this is somehow germane to the debate.
These flights were cancelled within hours of booking. So little chance of someone committing to accommodation/car hire etc within that time.
No one can argue that they thought £50 for a flight in the First Class cabin was the correct price.

dickydonkin

NiftyDigits wrote: »

So you come back five months later, posting about an error fare of First Class flights to the USA for £50 and you think this is somehow germane to the debate.
These flights were cancelled within hours of booking. So little chance of someone committing to accommodation/car hire etc within that time.
No one can argue that they thought £50 for a flight in the First Class cabin was the correct price.

Somewhat ironic coming from someone who (on this very thread) attempted to justify an argument by posting a fare from 2005.

I posted this 'five months later' to answer your question below and seems 'germane' to the debate:

NiftyDigits wrote: »

My fare might or might not be an error. But....where are these error fares that have not been honoured? There is a lot of empty talk on this thread. But please show examples out of the UK or Europe.

Seems I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't.

With respect to the flights being 'cancelled' hours after the error was recognised, if you read the article correctly, you will see that the affected people were not informed by the airline and some may have committed to a hotel/car hire etc. And just to correct your post, the flights were not 'cancelled' - as the flights will still be departing and arriving as scheduled - it is the 'bookings' that have apparently been cancelled.

It will be interesting however to see the outcome of the United fiasco.

That's me done on this topic. I am not becoming embroiled in some childish tit for tat posting episode that was ongoing upthread.