New "no disc" Car Tax rip off.

andyt8

With the new electronic car tax which no longer relies on a paper tax disc the government have no justification in not refunding you with the full amount when you surrender your car tax, and not continue as now with refunding just for full months left.

Even worse when you complete the paperwork to transfer a vehicle to a new owner you will automatically trigger a surrender of your car tax as it can no longer be transferred with the car to the new owner as it can at present.

So the new owner will have to tax the car straight away and it will be from the beginning of the current month as at present.

So in my reckoning that means the car will have been taxed twice (by old and new owner) for the month it is transferred in. The government get an extra month road tax every time a car is sold.

Only way around this is to sell at end of month and new owner not to tax and drive until 1st of next month.

Typical government rip off of the motorist.

Iceweasel

We've discussed this quite a lot in recent weeks - and I agree with you it's a rip-off.

The refunds will all be automatically generated by a computer so it would be just as easy for it to divide the tax by 365 as by 12.

Or maybe the dudes at gov.uk are imagining a lot of people in Swansea using a child's abacus.

OnanTheBarbarian

So you're no worse off than before as when you sold the car, you are still getting the same level of reimbursement for complete months of tax (assuming you were the sort who sold your car and cashed the tax disc in)

The only difference being that when you buy a car, you are liable to pay road fund licence from the off, rather than maybe being indulged with a few months rent in the screen courtesy of the previous owner.

It's not really a rip off is it?

Iceweasel

OnanTheBarbarian wrote: »

It's not really a rip off is it?

Well I look at it this way:

For the year that a car is sold/change of keeper the government will get 13 months tax instead of 12.

Multiply that by the number of cars that change hands every year and it starts to become a fair sum.

It makes no difference that the actual sum of money per owner may be small, it's the principal of the thing.

motorguy

Iceweasel wrote: »

Well I look at it this way:

For the year that a car is sold/change of keeper the government will get 13 months tax instead of 12.

Multiply that by the number of cars that change hands every year and it starts to become a fair sum.

It makes no difference that the actual sum of money per owner may be small, it's the principal of the thing.

And which would you prefer, a new automated, more cost effective system from which the government make a little extra in tax than they otherwise could OR a car tax rise for everybody?

Iceweasel

motorguy wrote: »

And which would you prefer, a new automated, more cost effective system from which the government make a little extra in tax than they otherwise could OR a car tax rise for everybody?

Going on past history of the DVLA I don't think that's what we are going to get though.

Norman_Castle

The only difference being that when you buy a car, you are liable to pay road fund licence from the off, rather than maybe being indulged with a few months rent in the screen courtesy of the previous owner.

It's neither road fund licence, (how old are you?) or rent. (Rent for what?). ItsVED.

AdrianC

Iceweasel wrote: »

Going on past history of the DVLA I don't think that's what we are going to get though.

The whole point here is that there isn't a new system. All that's happening is the deletion of the paper, a little tickling in the ways-to-pay, and automatic refund on change of keeper. Moving to partial-month would almost certainly require much more major tech changes, since the VED system at the moment simply doesn't worry about days, just months.

Foxy-Stoat_3

The government has now finally found a way to tax the motorist for the sale and purchasing of cars.....like stamp duty for houses!!

OnanTheBarbarian

Norman_Castle wrote: »

It's neither road fund licence, (how old are you?) or rent. (Rent for what?). ItsVED.

Rent - it's slang for tax

Rent in the screen = tax disc

Whatever it is, VED, Rent, tax, road fund licence, it's a bummer to have to pay it, but a legal requirement and I'm sure we would all rather not have to.

Oh and I'm 39

AdrianC

Foxy-Stoat wrote: »

The government has now finally found a way to tax the motorist for the sale and purchasing of cars.....like stamp duty for houses!!

Except it's absolutely nothing like.

It doesn't relate to the value of the purchase.
It's dead easy to get around.
And it won't even affect the vast majority of used car sales and purchases, since only a minority (I've seen a figure of ~30%) involve tax being transferred with the vehicles.

So, basically, we're talking about £10-20 every three years or so for about half of the motoring public, at most.

MAN THE BARRICADES!