Rant about asda

Cornucopia

You think it's their fault they don't have ID to make a purchase that is age restricted to an age 15 years younger than they are?

marliepanda

Cornucopia wrote: »

You think it's their fault they don't have ID to make a purchase that is age restricted to an age 15 years younger than they are?

I think it is their fault they cannot prove that to a cashier. A cashier who is at risk of losing their job/paying a huge fine if they do something wrong.

So yeah. I do.

Cornucopia

Personally, I don't think this kind of hassle and confusion is what the law intended.

redfragglebiker

Cornucopia - It's not about whether you ARE actually of age when the item is initially presented for purchase, it's how old you APPEAR to be. The penalties for serving anyone underage are severe for a business and are increasingly clamped down upon (which I only see as a good thing) I don't see it as unreasonable that a person over the age of 25 should have some kind of ID to prove age etc. It's not like proof of age i a new concept, it's just being enforced a lot more strictly in recent years but the licencing laws have been in place in this country for some time.
Personally as a woman just over 30 it makes my day if someone IDs me!

marliepanda

Cornucopia wrote: »

Personally, I don't think this kind of hassle and confusion is what the law intended.

There is no hassle. Only people moaning they cannot get alcohol without ID. If people feel hassled because they are not responsible enough to get ID and produce ID for age restricted products, the hassle is their own causing.

There is also no confusion. No ID. No sale. Nothing confusing about that.

redfragglebiker

Just as a side note - I haven't been a licencee for about 6 years now so the law may have changed but when I took my licencee exam we were informed that "once a request for ID has been made for a purchase the sale cannot legally be completed until such ID has been seen" Basically even if you make a mistake becuase you've thrown someone a quick glance if you have asked to see their ID then proof of age MUST be seen before the sale can legally conclude. Like I mention this may have been revised but it was something I wasn't aware of prior to being a licencee so it always stuck in my mind.

marliepanda

redfragglebiker wrote: »

Just as a side note - I haven't been a licencee for about 6 years now so the law may have changed but when I took my licencee exam we were informed that "once a request for ID has been made for a purchase the sale cannot legally be completed until such ID has been seen" Basically even if you make a mistake becuase you've thrown someone a quick glance if you have asked to see their ID then proof of age MUST be seen before the sale can legally conclude.

That was how it was put to me when I first worked in retail where age restricted products were sold, but that was 7 years ago so again, may have changed.

But that certainly explains why managers do not change cashiers decisions. We were also told if we did sell to someone underage, not only was there a personal fine but the licensee of the premises (usually one of the higher managers) was liable to lose their license and get in big trouble too.

Cornucopia

redfragglebiker wrote: »

"once a request for ID has been made for a purchase the sale cannot legally be completed until such ID has been seen"

What would be the reason for that?

And any references, pls?

marliepanda

Cornucopia wrote: »

What would be the reason for that?

Perhaps to stop people from feeling they can intimidate people into backing down. Who knows.

We also were told that if say a guy came through, clearly over 25 with a small child, buying alcohol, if he like gave the money to the child and said 'here give that to the lady' for example, we were not allowed to take the money off the child otherwise that would be the child buying the stuff. we had to stop them and say 'no the money has to come from you'

I always thought that one was maybe a little too far...

POPPYOSCAR

It just makes a nonsense of the whole thing when people who are obviously not under 18 are asked for their ID.


I know of several who have been asked- one in their 40s just because she is short! If she was under 18 I would say she had lived a pretty hard life for those 18 years in that case!!!!!