Is this descrimination legal?

ste_wilko

First of all, in my opinion, no discrimination can be classed as positive.

But that's not what this post is about. I don't see anything wrong with the advert. It appears that Creative Access have agreed with the employer to supply an intern (or whatever number). And it is through the money raised by the charity that the intern will receive a bursary. The charity is set up to help redress the gap between white people working in the sector and other minorities. They cannot really do that effectively if they accept applications from people outside the minorities.

If your wife wants to work for "Adjust your Set" then maybe she should visit their website and email the HR department. They've even gone as far to supply an email address for people who want to work for them

mattcanary

nightsky224 wrote: »

"Rap music" is a type of music that falls in to the "Music Industries" I don't have stats for that but opted to not make them up......
If you set up a recording company you I don't think you will get very far with rap artists alone, producers etc may be key lol

I am also assuming that you were in such a hurry typing that when you said "no blacks" I am assuming that you mean "Black, Asian, and minority ethnic"

Of course you can succeed if you set up a recording company for rap artists. Producers can be black, white, whatever.
As long as you can recognise talent, can sell, make worthwhile contacts,, etc.

mattcanary

nightsky224 wrote: »

I believe that there should be a level playing field which there currently isn't.

And how do you think that not allowing applications from whites creates this?


It creates the opposite.

mattcanary

nightsky224 wrote: »

Its an internship, not a job for life to get the internship they will have to be the best of those that apply.


So you feel strongly that it is wrong to exclude people and that they should be given the job based on their abilities/potential etc? That's exactly what is happening.........


in the 2011 British Census - over 40% of Londoners are non-white. Yet, the 2012 Employment Census published by Skillset in July 2013 showed that ethnic minority representation across the creative industries has fallen in recent years to just 5.4% of the total workforce

One statistic is not necessarily directly linked to another statistic.


Blacks are also vastly over-represented as football players and track athletes at sprint trips, if you want to take that view.

mattcanary

BrassicWoman wrote: »

poor ickle disadvantaged white men, you have it so hard....

Pathetic comment. Grow up

cazziebo

mattcanary wrote: »

One statistic is not necessarily directly linked to another statistic.

???

The stats quoted are for the creative industries; the advert is from a charity looking at increasing diversity of the workforce in these creative industries.

This suggests that the recruitment processes - whether that's advertising, sourcing, selecting - are favouring white candidates. White people already have an advantage- the statistics prove this. All Creative Access is doing is giving people from disadvantaged groups some work experience (NOT A JOB) which seeks to redress the balance.

However, I sense it's not logical argument that's needed here. Some people have to get over their prejudices and sense of entitlement.

Mishomeister

cazziebo wrote: »

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This suggests that the recruitment processes - whether that's advertising, sourcing, selecting - are favouring white candidates. White people already have an advantage- the statistics prove this. All Creative Access is doing is giving people from disadvantaged groups some work experience (NOT A JOB) which seeks to redress the balance.

OK another example.

Say I am employer and I inherit a small company which has say 5 people of the same race working for it. This can be either race eg. white, black, asian whatever.

I then need to hire 1 more person. I interview a number of people. It then happens that the best candidate is from the same race as the others.

Would I hire some other candidate to diversify the company's workforce? No I would not give a sh*t about the diversity and emply the best candidate whichever race he is.


I would like to ask anyone who supports this Creative Access initiative would any of you agree to give up your job to diversify your workplace?

Would you be happy if you personaly did not get a job because it was given to someone who has obtained more experience through an intership which was not available to you because you are of a wrong colour?

BrassicWoman

I feel you aren't really looking for advice, just a debate, and this should go to discussion time.

Southend1

My employer recently started adding a sentence at the bottom of it's job ads, saying that either female applicants or ethnic minority applicants are welcome to apply because they are currently underrepresented in a particular type of job. However there is a job type where 85% of the staff are female and yet they don't have a statement on the ads to encourage men to apply for these jobs! I think that these days equality of opportunity (a good thing) has in many cases got muddled up with "positive" discrimination (not good!).

In the case of the OP it sounds like there is a clear under representation of BAME people in creative industries however restricting access to internships for white people is not an acceptable solution. It would be better to target advertising for these internships by for example putting an ad in a publication with a high proportion of BAME readers. Otherwise it's no better than the old "no Irish, no dogs, no blacks" kind of sign you might have come across in the 1940s/50s.

BillJones

BrassicWoman wrote: »

Please cite your references for this research please, unless of course it is something you "reckon" and "everybody knows"....

That's not how the burden pf proof works. We've cast-iron evidence of discrimination in the advert, and you don't get to just assume that it is correcting unevidenced discrimination elsewhere.

You need far more than differential outcomes to prove that.