Is this descrimination legal?

Bantex_2

nightsky224 wrote: »

I cant figure out if I am amused or disappointed!! I give up

Bit confused, are you saying it is not a "no whites" policy?

nightsky224

Bantex wrote: »

Bit confused, are you saying it is not a "no whites" policy?

All roles advertised through Creative Access are only open to UK nationals from a black, Asian or ethnic minority background
Why is this? For the reasons as previously stated. Its not complicated. If you look at actual stats it is clear that people from black, Asian or ethnic minority background are under represented in creative organisations.

Bantex_2

nightsky224 wrote: »

All roles advertised through Creative Access are only open to UK nationals from a black, Asian or ethnic minority background
Why is this? For the reasons as previously stated. Its not complicated. If you look at actual stats it is clear that people from black, Asian or ethnic minority background are under represented in creative organisations.

So you believe that the way forward is to exclude certain groups based on ethnicity? I find that very, very wrong.

nightsky224

Bantex wrote: »

So you believe that the way forward is to exclude certain groups based on ethnicity? I find that very, very wrong.

I believe that there should be a level playing field which there currently isn't.

Bantex_2

nightsky224 wrote: »

I believe that there should be a level playing field which there currently isn't.

To carry on with the analogy, it seems wrong to handicap or exclude one group to help another. If Man City keep winning the Premiership, should they be excluded from entering?
Do you not feel also that anyone that "makes it" through this type of discrimination will always have to live with themselves and others thinking they got there due to their race rather than ability?

custardy

Bantex wrote: »

Something like 95% of rap artists are non white. Should it be Ok to set up a recording company with an overt "no blacks" policy?

most likely. Unlikely to make much money though.

Bantex_2

custardy wrote: »

most likely. Unlikely to make much money though.

Whatever happened to Vanilla Ice?

nightsky224

Bantex wrote: »

To carry on with the analogy, it seems wrong to handicap or exclude one group to help another. If Man City keep winning the Premiership, should they be excluded from entering?
Do you not feel also that anyone that "makes it" through this type of discrimination will always have to live with themselves and others thinking they got there due to their race rather than ability?

Its an internship, not a job for life to get the internship they will have to be the best of those that apply.


So you feel strongly that it is wrong to exclude people and that they should be given the job based on their abilities/potential etc? That's exactly what is happening.........


in the 2011 British Census - over 40% of Londoners are non-white. Yet, the 2012 Employment Census published by Skillset in July 2013 showed that ethnic minority representation across the creative industries has fallen in recent years to just 5.4% of the total workforce

belisha-beacon

I think that the main point is being missed here, which is that the job is not with Creative Access. As it says at the top, the job is for a company called Adjust Your Set. Creative Access is a separate company, whose job it is to encourage BME people to work in creative industries. So, it has used its website to advertise this internship to its BME readers. There is nothing wrong with it saying that if people want to apply via its website (rather than contacting the employer directly) then they should fit the criteria of people that the company is set up to support.

Two things:

1. It is illegal for employers to specify they want someone of a particular ethnicity, unless it can be objectively justified (by this they mean, for example, that if you are hiring someone to play Stephen Lawrence in a film, you are justified in saying you will only give the job to a black actor). Positive discrimination is NOT yet legal in the UK - so you can't say we will only employ black people because they are underrepresented in our workforce.

2. BUT you can take steps to encourage people from certain backgrounds to apply for a job if that background is underrepresented in your workforce. So, you might for example make sure you place a copy of your job advert in a magazine with a high proportion of black/young/gay/disabled/whatever readers. There is nothing illegal about having an organisation set up to try and encourage BME people into an industry which, for whatever reason, has a vast overrepresentation of white employees when compared to the percentage of the population that is white.

BillJones

nightsky224 wrote: »

I believe that there should be a level playing field which there currently isn't.

Well no, there's not, as one colour of skin is being excluded, so we've absolute proof of racism there.

I assume that you are alleging that there's previously been racism in the opposite direction, but that seems pretty unlikely, just like the lack of women working on bin lorries is not down, on the whole, to sexism.