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  • ZTD
    ZTD Posts: 24,327 Forumite
    C.W wrote: »
    Made a slow cooker veggie curry at the weekend! My mum and stepdad even had some and turned into a meaty one.

    Yes, sometimes curries have that effect on me too. Just open the doors and windows and even the meatiest one will dissipate...

    ;)
    C.W wrote: »
    Still got two portions for lunches and another 4 in the freezer.

    Doing it for lunch is good. Saves cooking/buying.
    C.W wrote: »
    Work's been !!!! since I started there in March and continues to get worse. I can't ever seem to do "my" job, I'm having to do other people's.

    That means you are useful and flexible. You wouldn't be given jobs like that unless you could cope with them.
    C.W wrote: »
    Which means I'm getting some grief for affecting other people's jobs because I'm not doing "mine" even though I can't do anything about it.

    When somebody gives you grief about it, tell them (nicely) to talk to the person who dragged you off your normal duties. Tell them that the said person is obviously unaware of the impact you being pulled here, there and everywhere is having on their side of the business.

    Don't act as a go-between. Let them go above your head.
    C.W wrote: »
    I keep getting shoved in the shop (which I hate), especially since it's the time of year where there's lots of stressed and rude customers that we can't fix things for.

    :grouphug:
    C.W wrote: »
    I keep trying to just stay focused on the fact that it's "just a job" and that it pays the bills and I just need to stick it out until I finish my degree... but that isn't washing anymore. I just can't find anything "better" as it always ends up a similar situation.

    Yes you can. Your inability to see anything better than where you are now is just a function of your current funk, not a reflection of reality.
    C.W wrote: »
    I can't seem to get anything other than retail posts. This was supposed to be a better opportunity in a "new and exciting role". Lies.

    You'll encounter a lot of those in jobs. Getting a job which is titled "You'l end up doing anything in this role as we couldn't organise the proverbial in a brewery." isn't going to happen. You'll get the job, but the title will be generic and misleading.
    C.W wrote: »
    It's one of those weeks where I feel pretty pathetic and low on esteem.

    :grouphug:
    C.W wrote: »
    I best get ready for work.

    Hope it goes better for you today.
    "Follow the money!" - Deepthroat (AKA William Mark Felt Sr - Associate Director of the FBI)
    "We were born and raised in a summer haze." Adele 'Someone like you.'
    "Blowing your mind, 'cause you know what you'll find, when you're looking for things in the sky."
    OMD 'Julia's Song'
  • C.W
    C.W Posts: 135 Forumite
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    ZTD wrote: »
    Yes, sometimes curries have that effect on me too. Just open the doors and windows and even the meatiest one will dissipate...

    Ew. :P
    ZTD wrote: »
    That means you are useful and flexible. You wouldn't be given jobs like that unless you could cope with them.

    It's actually more that no other !!!!!! will do it. I'm sure a soft touch. When they said they wanted to train me up in the shop I essentially didn't have much choice - they already knew I had retail experience and there was noone else who was available. It was only supposed to be to help out on a few Saturdays when one of the others was on holiday. It's now become a regular thing because it's crazy busy and noone else will help the girls in the shop.

    We were even on emergency tills yesterday because all the systems were down. I went and asked one of the boss ladies about the particulars of the emergency till as I wasn't sure how they worked and noone in the shop did either and they weren't running as well as bosslady believed they would, but she just said "it should just work". Oh well, if payments don't go through it's not our fault.
    ZTD wrote: »
    When somebody gives you grief about it, tell them (nicely) to talk to the person who dragged you off your normal duties. Tell them that the said person is obviously unaware of the impact you being pulled here, there and everywhere is having on their side of the business.

    I'm pretty darn vocal so most people know when I'm in a bad mood, if I don't agree with something, or if I'm not happy. Not so sure if it always comes across "nicely" but at least noone can say I'm a liar :P
    ZTD wrote: »
    Don't act as a go-between. Let them go above your head.

    That actually achieves nothing. It's a small business where the bosses don't really give that much of a crap. To them, everyone's disposable so they're not too bothered if people are unhappy.
    ZTD wrote: »
    Yes you can. Your inability to see anything better than where you are now is just a function of your current funk, not a reflection of reality.

    It's also experience. Took me 6 months to find this job (I was stuck in a pub where the chefs swore at you on a regular basis and the bosses were happy to work you to death). Prior to that, I was 4 years in a mental health hospital where I sustained an injury through work but was on SSP for a few months because they wouldn't pay me and apparently (according to solicitors) had taken every reasonable precaution to reduce chance of injury.
    ZTD wrote: »
    Hope it goes better for you today.

    It's gotten to the point where everything irritates me. Even if it's "not that bad", it still irritates me. The environment, the customers, the changing hours, the poor planning, the lack of organisation, the refusal to listen to better ideas, having no stock, having no backup plan when things go to !!!!, being surrounded by people with no ambition or drive, feeling trapped by circumstances, being unable to find a way out despite trying, being forced to live on the hope that "one day" things will be better, not having any money, the not having any money making me feel trapped... I had to get rid of my car when I started there as 6 weeks without pay when I started meant I had no money to pay bills/fund travel/buy food etc...

    I'm now working Sunday which sucks. No extra pay for Sundays because it seems you're lucky if they even pay you (the delivery driver said he was asked to work extra hours last month and they never even paid him!). This should cover some of the hours I'm taking off on Thursday as I thought it best to book a doctor's appointment. Feeling very disconnected these days.
    If you don't believe you can ever do it, you never will.
  • ZTD
    ZTD Posts: 24,327 Forumite
    C.W wrote: »
    It's actually more that no other !!!!!! will do it. I'm sure a soft touch.

    It's a combination of willingness and ability. When things go wrong where I am, there's usually a fair amount of people willing to help. Some are stood in the corner with some make-work to ensure they don't make things worse.
    C.W wrote: »
    We were even on emergency tills yesterday because all the systems were down. I went and asked one of the boss ladies about the particulars of the emergency till as I wasn't sure how they worked and noone in the shop did either and they weren't running as well as bosslady believed they would, but she just said "it should just work".

    "Should" - biggest word in the English language...
    C.W wrote: »
    Oh well, if payments don't go through it's not our fault.

    That's right.
    C.W wrote: »
    I'm pretty darn vocal so most people know when I'm in a bad mood, if I don't agree with something, or if I'm not happy. Not so sure if it always comes across "nicely" but at least noone can say I'm a liar :P

    But you're also "shielding" the person making the decision. Encourage others to talk to them (i.e. name and shame) so that when you are pulled all over, said person ends up having to justify it to others (i.e it gives them work too).
    C.W wrote: »
    That actually achieves nothing. It's a small business where the bosses don't really give that much of a crap. To them, everyone's disposable so they're not too bothered if people are unhappy.

    It achieves you ducking out of:
    "Well C, tell X, this."
    "No C, tell Y, that."

    Also, in the future when people are moaning at you for not being able to spend time on your job you can just say "Have you spoken to X about it?". That should pretty much kill that conversation at that point.
    C.W wrote: »
    It's also experience. Took me 6 months to find this job

    If you start now, it may be 6 months before you're somewhere else, but if you start in 6 months, it'll be a year.
    C.W wrote: »
    It's gotten to the point where everything irritates me. Even if it's "not that bad", it still irritates me. The environment, the customers, the changing hours, the poor planning, the lack of organisation, the refusal to listen to better ideas, having no stock, having no backup plan when things go to !!!!, being surrounded by people with no ambition or drive,

    Unfortunately, welcome to half-arrsed Britain...
    C.W wrote: »
    feeling trapped by circumstances, being unable to find a way out despite trying, being forced to live on the hope that "one day" things will be better, not having any money, the not having any money making me feel trapped... I had to get rid of my car when I started there as 6 weeks without pay when I started meant I had no money to pay bills/fund travel/buy food etc...

    :grouphug:
    C.W wrote: »
    I'm now working Sunday which sucks. No extra pay for Sundays because it seems you're lucky if they even pay you (the delivery driver said he was asked to work extra hours last month and they never even paid him!). This should cover some of the hours I'm taking off on Thursday as I thought it best to book a doctor's appointment. Feeling very disconnected these days.

    Sorry to hear that. :grouphug:
    "Follow the money!" - Deepthroat (AKA William Mark Felt Sr - Associate Director of the FBI)
    "We were born and raised in a summer haze." Adele 'Someone like you.'
    "Blowing your mind, 'cause you know what you'll find, when you're looking for things in the sky."
    OMD 'Julia's Song'
  • C.W
    C.W Posts: 135 Forumite
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    ZTD wrote: »
    It's a combination of willingness and ability. When things go wrong where I am, there's usually a fair amount of people willing to help. Some are stood in the corner with some make-work to ensure they don't make things worse.

    It sounds like a fairly supportive environment if there are people trying to help.
    ZTD wrote: »
    But you're also "shielding" the person making the decision. Encourage others to talk to them (i.e. name and shame) so that when you are pulled all over, said person ends up having to justify it to others (i.e it gives them work too).

    The person we refer others to is the warehouse manager. He supposedly runs our department but he's !!!!. People go to speak to him about something and he either flaps until he's managed to change the subject, he changes the subject/makes crap jokes in the hopes you forget what you were talking about, or he disappears. He's what many refer to as a "yes-man" but gets nothing done. Doesn't organise, doesn't do paperwork, doesn't plan.

    I actually gave him a me-style lecture when I found out one of the permanent members of staff leaves next week, all the summer staff leave next week, noone's trained up on her job other than the summer staff, and that will then mean there's only me for the shop. !!!!!!!! to that. So I had it out with him about how they need to pull someone in now to train them up ready as there'll be noone to train them up.

    He makes lame excuses and nothing gets done.
    ZTD wrote: »
    Also, in the future when people are moaning at you for not being able to spend time on your job you can just say "Have you spoken to X about it?". That should pretty much kill that conversation at that point.

    Aye, my response is a case of holding my hands up saying "I know very well what I SHOULD be doing, but you're talking to the wrong person". I have no interest in arguing with people so I say my piece and leave them to it. People will say what they want, and no doubt there's a fair bit of !!!!!ing going on.
    ZTD wrote: »
    If you start now, it may be 6 months before you're somewhere else, but if you start in 6 months, it'll be a year.

    Already been on it. Drives me nuts really as I hate job hopping and I was really hoping to just stick it out until I had my degree done and then I can look for something tailored around that. I think my CV's starting to look bad with all the overlapping jobs and such.

    I know I can put the last couple of jobs down as temp jobs (not even got a contract for this one yet, so feels like it's a temp job).


    Sorry for all the ranting... don't really have anyone to talk to so I think I've taken this "diary" thing a little too literal :undecided
    If you don't believe you can ever do it, you never will.
  • ZTD
    ZTD Posts: 24,327 Forumite
    C.W wrote: »
    It sounds like a fairly supportive environment if there are people trying to help.

    It is and it isn't. There are tremendously supportive people there, who are still in work at 22:45 kicking dead stuff out of cabinets because we are essentially dead in the water, then in the next day (Saturday and we're a Mon-Fri operation) because we're still dead in the water.

    Then there are people who waltz in to try to "take charge" because they think people who "take charge" in a crisis earn buckets of brownie points. "Taking charge" is where they go home early, have a good meal, and keep phoning you "for status updates" while watching the telly.

    "What? Have I left my phone on my desk upstairs? Oh no. My soul is torn..."
    C.W wrote: »
    The person we refer others to is the warehouse manager. He supposedly runs our department but he's !!!!. People go to speak to him about something and he either flaps until he's managed to change the subject, he changes the subject/makes crap jokes in the hopes you forget what you were talking about, or he disappears. He's what many refer to as a "yes-man" but gets nothing done. Doesn't organise, doesn't do paperwork, doesn't plan.

    Keep referring people to him. Worst thing you can do is ease the pressure on him.
    C.W wrote: »
    I actually gave him a me-style lecture when I found out one of the permanent members of staff leaves next week, all the summer staff leave next week, noone's trained up on her job other than the summer staff, and that will then mean there's only me for the shop. !!!!!!!! to that. So I had it out with him about how they need to pull someone in now to train them up ready as there'll be noone to train them up.

    Put "Charity Work" on your CV: Bringing clues to the clueless...
    C.W wrote: »
    He makes lame excuses and nothing gets done.

    Aye, my response is a case of holding my hands up saying "I know very well what I SHOULD be doing, but you're talking to the wrong person". I have no interest in arguing with people so I say my piece and leave them to it. People will say what they want, and no doubt there's a fair bit of !!!!!ing going on.

    Keep redirecting them to him. So they can fill his day with their bitching. If you think he's not going to change with pressure, he sure as hell isn't going to change without it.
    C.W wrote: »
    Already been on it. Drives me nuts really as I hate job hopping and I was really hoping to just stick it out until I had my degree done and then I can look for something tailored around that. I think my CV's starting to look bad with all the overlapping jobs and such.

    :grouphug:

    It's kind-of expected that a student is not going to have a full unbroken stretch of long-term jobs. Needs must as the devil drives and all that.
    C.W wrote: »
    I know I can put the last couple of jobs down as temp jobs (not even got a contract for this one yet, so feels like it's a temp job).

    So put it down as temp.
    C.W wrote: »
    Sorry for all the ranting... don't really have anyone to talk to so I think I've taken this "diary" thing a little too literal :undecided

    This is your diary. You can bitch on it all you want. So don't apologise - this is what it is for.
    "Follow the money!" - Deepthroat (AKA William Mark Felt Sr - Associate Director of the FBI)
    "We were born and raised in a summer haze." Adele 'Someone like you.'
    "Blowing your mind, 'cause you know what you'll find, when you're looking for things in the sky."
    OMD 'Julia's Song'
  • C.W
    C.W Posts: 135 Forumite
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    ZTD wrote: »
    we are essentially dead in the water, then in the next day (Saturday and we're a Mon-Fri operation) because we're still dead in the water.

    Is business not going well, is that what you mean?
    ZTD wrote: »
    Keep referring people to him. Worst thing you can do is ease the pressure on him.

    I sure will! I keep saying to one of my colleagues that the only reason he hasn't sacked me is because there's noone else to take my place :P haha.
    ZTD wrote: »
    Put "Charity Work" on your CV: Bringing clues to the clueless...

    Fab idea!
    ZTD wrote: »
    Keep redirecting them to him. So they can fill his day with their bitching. If you think he's not going to change with pressure, he sure as hell isn't going to change without it.

    So very true.
    ZTD wrote: »
    It's kind-of expected that a student is not going to have a full unbroken stretch of long-term jobs. Needs must as the devil drives and all that.

    Even 29 year old students? I'll be almost 32 by the time I get my degree and my condensed CV is 4 pages long - that's with mostly titles of jobs, volunteer experience and training.
    ZTD wrote: »
    This is your diary. You can bitch on it all you want. So don't apologise - this is what it is for.

    Thanks for 'listening' though. I appreciate it <3

    Good news! Fabric, pattern and zip arrived. Just need a set chunk of time to get the pattern set up properly. Was supposed to be Sunday but obviously I'm working now... Provisionally I'm saying Sunday night but not so sure that'll happen. After that it'll be Saturday afternoon/evening or Sunday next week depending upon what crops up.
    If you don't believe you can ever do it, you never will.
  • C.W
    C.W Posts: 135 Forumite
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    In relation to job hunting, I know I'm in that limbo stage. I'm over qualified for basic minimum wage jobs but I'm under qualified for the more interesting roles I actually like the sound of.

    I'm pretty much aiming higher than my current job level, for entry level positions in things like "executive assistant" and "project assistant" if I like the job spec/company ethos. Can't hurt to try, right?

    At the very least I'll become familiar with what those positions require and know what I need to do to be able to tick the boxes and I'll feel better for at least trying rather than just moving sideways into a similar role as a trained monkey.
    If you don't believe you can ever do it, you never will.
  • ZTD
    ZTD Posts: 24,327 Forumite
    C.W wrote: »
    Is business not going well, is that what you mean?

    No. Major piece of IT equipment. With it dead, everything else was useless. You can't run an organisation on post-it notes any more...
    C.W wrote: »
    I sure will! I keep saying to one of my colleagues that the only reason he hasn't sacked me is because there's noone else to take my place :P haha.

    Told you that you were useful... :p
    C.W wrote: »
    Even 29 year old students? I'll be almost 32 by the time I get my degree and my condensed CV is 4 pages long - that's with mostly titles of jobs, volunteer experience and training.

    When you submit it, condense it so that it's relevant. Nobody needs to know you saved the whales... ;)
    C.W wrote: »
    Thanks for 'listening' though. I appreciate it <3

    No problem. :)
    C.W wrote: »
    Good news! Fabric, pattern and zip arrived. Just need a set chunk of time to get the pattern set up properly. Was supposed to be Sunday but obviously I'm working now... Provisionally I'm saying Sunday night but not so sure that'll happen. After that it'll be Saturday afternoon/evening or Sunday next week depending upon what crops up.

    Why won't it happen? You got stuff planned for Sunday night?
    "Follow the money!" - Deepthroat (AKA William Mark Felt Sr - Associate Director of the FBI)
    "We were born and raised in a summer haze." Adele 'Someone like you.'
    "Blowing your mind, 'cause you know what you'll find, when you're looking for things in the sky."
    OMD 'Julia's Song'
  • ZTD
    ZTD Posts: 24,327 Forumite
    C.W wrote: »
    In relation to job hunting, I know I'm in that limbo stage. I'm over qualified for basic minimum wage jobs but I'm under qualified for the more interesting roles I actually like the sound of.

    I'm pretty much aiming higher than my current job level, for entry level positions in things like "executive assistant"

    Well be careful of job titles - executive assistant is (usually) what used to be a P.A.
    C.W wrote: »
    and "project assistant"

    AKA "gopher". Though depending on the project(s), could be an interesting gopher.
    C.W wrote: »
    if I like the job spec/company ethos. Can't hurt to try, right?

    No it can't.
    C.W wrote: »
    At the very least I'll become familiar with what those positions require and know what I need to do to be able to tick the boxes and I'll feel better for at least trying rather than just moving sideways into a similar role as a trained monkey.

    If you don't aim high, you'll always hit low.
    "Follow the money!" - Deepthroat (AKA William Mark Felt Sr - Associate Director of the FBI)
    "We were born and raised in a summer haze." Adele 'Someone like you.'
    "Blowing your mind, 'cause you know what you'll find, when you're looking for things in the sky."
    OMD 'Julia's Song'
  • C.W
    C.W Posts: 135 Forumite
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    edited 29 August 2014 at 11:03PM
    ZTD wrote: »
    Well be careful of job titles - executive assistant is (usually) what used to be a P.A.

    I don't mind the idea of P.A/gopher jobs if I know it's the route into an industry in which I can gain experience. I'm also looking at transferable skills and such. My plan is to work towards creative project managing as I want to work in non-profit/creative workshops. I know that'll most likely be a freelance or self-employed type of thing but currently need the steady income and experience to get to a point where I'm going it alone.

    The job is meant to be experience in the industry, the degree is the accreditation, once I'm back to regular hours and I can work out what hours I need to study etc... I can look at what time can be allocated for volunteering or getting involved in youth projects/creative workshops.

    If I don't find a graduate job/internship in the UK after my degree, I'll be on a TEFL or other relevant course and applying for work/internships in community development projects abroad.
    ZTD wrote: »
    If you don't aim high, you'll always hit low.

    Too true!
    ZTD wrote: »
    When you submit it, condense it so that it's relevant. Nobody needs to know you saved the whales... ;)

    I always thought you weren't meant to have gaps on your CV...
    ZTD wrote: »
    Why won't it happen? You got stuff planned for Sunday night?

    I don't have plans but that doesn't mean other people won't make them. I was planning on cooking off some of the spare veg when I got home but we had an unexpected visit from family.

    My plan tomo night after the Ann Summers party is to finish my next set book for the course but sounds like my sister's gunning for dropping off my niece so she can go out boozing. I love my niece but I hate how my 'plans' aren't important because I'm at home.

    No plans after I get home from work around 6.30pm ish Sunday but, as I say, you just don't know what other people decide. I'll definitely need to do the veg though or they'll just spoil and that's money wasted.
    If you don't believe you can ever do it, you never will.
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