Boss shouting at work

missbiggles1

FBaby wrote: »

Mmmm could your daughter forgot to mention that her leaving her desk for 20 minutes actually led to some issues? It doesn't make sense to be shouted at our disciplined for taking a break without informing the boss but if she was for instance supposed to print some papers for him to go to a meeting and he didn't get them didn't know where he was supposed to go and ended up late and looking like a fool at the meeting your can see why he would have ended up shouting and considering the issue worth a disciplinary.

That might be true if you work at a professional level but in most jobs it would certainly be a disciplinary offence. Whilst not good practice to shout at people, in this case she seems to have got off lightly.

FBaby

I'm assuming that since OP daughter thinks she had done nothing wrong it is more the consequences of her absence that is the problem rather than the absence itself.

trollopscarletwoman

Tiddlywinks wrote: »

Oh the irony... the employee trotted off to the post office for about 20 minutes - absent without permission. You seem to think that that is ok.

Hardly the crime of the century.

However, shouting at somebody carries far more weight in my mind.

Its both intimidation and humiliating for this to be heard by colleagues and how anyone can defend it defeats me.

The boss is there to set the example.

The boss has set the example-but the wrong one.

Another point is-is this idiot boss shouting to intimidate other workers. And that's what I mean by Thatcherite management.

Kow tow or your out.

trollopscarletwoman

Cyberman60 wrote: »

She should have gone in her lunch break, otherwise should have asked for permission as simply leaving the office is undermining the bosses authority and showing lack of respect towards him. He replied in kind IMO. Both sides have shown aspects of bullying towards eachother. She should apologise.

Working on that so should the boss and doubly in kind.

To allow a ticking off to be heard by fellow staff is repulsive and perhaps there's a method behind this madness.

Takeaway_Addict

trollopscarletwoman wrote: »

Hardly the crime of the century.

However, shouting at somebody carries far more weight in my mind.

Its both intimidation and humiliating for this to be heard by colleagues and how anyone can defend it defeats me.

The boss is there to set the example.

The boss has set the example-but the wrong one.

Another point is-is this idiot boss shouting to intimidate other workers. And that's what I mean by Thatcherite management.

Kow tow or your out.

Theft of time is worse than shouting at anyone and you quite clearly the apologist here.

trollopscarletwoman

lemontart wrote: »

not good she left premises with out permission - as she is paid to be at post , also could argue if fire and cannot find her could be issues.

Yes the boss should not have shouted but given she does not even think she has done anything wrong there could be other issues going on with her attitude at work.

I agree.

But there might be issues with the bosses attitude as well.

There obviously is. Stupidity is clearly one of them.

trollopscarletwoman

Takeaway_Addict wrote: »

Theft of time is worse than shouting at anyone and you quite clearly the apologist here.

You have disciplinary procedures-or should have.

Stop making excuses for intimidation.

Fork

Good lord, what kind of offices do you people work in where you can't pop to the post office?

Unless her absence for 20 minutes causes huge detriment to her role (such as an emergency services call handler), surely that time can just be taken from her overall break allowance?

There is absolutely no excuse for shouting at employees. Presumably the employee is an adult and therefore should be treated as such, not shouted at like a toddler in front of the whole office floor.

If OP really did break some major rules at that workplace maybe she should apologise for presuming she was able to do so, but at the same time she should demand an apology in return for the massive overreaction and unnecessary humiliation.

Takeaway_Addict

Fork wrote: »

Good lord, what kind of offices do you people work in where you can't pop to the post office?

Unless her absence for 20 minutes causes huge detriment to her role (such as an emergency services call handler), surely that time can just be taken from her overall break allowance?

There is absolutely no excuse for shouting at employees. Presumably the employee is an adult and therefore should be treated as such, not shouted at like a toddler in front of the whole office floor.

If OP really did break some major rules at that workplace maybe she should apologise for presuming she was able to do so, but at the same time she should demand an apology in return for the massive overreaction and unnecessary humiliation.

Surely she could just have gone when her break was available?

I agree that being shouted at isn't right but a one off is hardly the biggest deal in the world, it is less than the effective theft of time because I have no doubt if the OP's friend wasn't caught they wouldn't have made the time up.

And the whole point of this thread was to ask what she should do and with less than 2 years service the OP's friend would be wise to apologise and not risk her job.

If the one off becomes multiple times then this is another issue where a grievance might be appropiate, but its not.

Takeaway_Addict

trollopscarletwoman wrote: »

You have disciplinary procedures-or should have.

Stop making excuses for intimidation.

Or the OP's friends gets sacked with no redress available to them...

I'm a realist, you are living in a fantasy world.