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somersethillbilly

zarf2007 wrote: »

I fully expect more flaming but will leave you with this simple quote from the Bible which I feel sums up my discovery of Macs many years ago:

John 9:25 "Whereas once I was blind, now I can see. "

:eek: And people think Apple Fanboys are part of an Evangelical Cult.

AliceBanned

I haven't bought a new laptop a year. I've bought a refurbished one 7 years ago. I think the advice to not take on more credit is good. It's fine if you can afford luxury but if you can't it is not even pleasant having those things.

RumRat

IT professionals should know better than to get into WvM arguments. I've never seen one resolved in any forum, anywhere.
Both are a personal preference and both are good OS's.
Build wise, silly argument, there is only one Macbook Pro etc but many Windows laptops of varying quality. The Macbook Pro's from 2011 were renowned for over heating, so, even they are not immune to problems.
It's all pointless.

StumpyPumpy

zarf2007 wrote: »

I fully expect more flaming but will leave you with this simple quote from the Bible which I feel sums up my discovery of Macs many years ago:
John 9:25 "Whereas once I was blind, now I can see. "

John 9:29: "as for this fellow, we know not from whence he is."

or alternatively:

Bill 13:10 "It is indeed a pleasure to introduce to you a gentleman we picked up in medieval Mongolia in the year 1269."

almillar

thanks, but coming from you I'll take it as a compliment, and if you already own a macbook and still havent seen the light then there is no hope.

Yup, that's your fanboy right there. I run Windows as well as OSX on my MBP - does that make you feel a bit sick?!

The OP can keep on buying cheap windows laptops made of plastic which eventually get bogged down with bloatware/malware and replace every year or buy a quality engineered laptop made of aluminium running a decent OS such as a mac. Either save up or by on 0%, you wont regret it.

one other thing to consider is the security aspect of your data. If you do online banking/shopping/email etc it is far more secure to do this from a mac than a windows pc (99% of viruses etc target windows for the simple fact that it has a larger user base).

This is mostly out of date guff from the XP days. I 100% understand the aluminium vs plastic thing, but that aluminium does scratch easily, and of course, you seem to be oblivious to the existence of 'premium' Windows machines. Yes, Windows is on more than just £250 Acers!

As I said I like both systems. That's opinion. Stating that OSX is far more secure than, say Windows 8, is just plain untrue. Windows XP in 2003 I would give you, but things have moved on.
And I just have to say that 99% of things targeting something, does not make it any less secure. Just the same as theives targeting GTi cars, doesn't make them any less secure than the 1.1e.

zarf2007

almillar wrote: »

Yup, that's your fanboy right there. I run Windows as well as OSX on my MBP - does that make you feel a bit sick?!


This is mostly out of date guff from the XP days. I 100% understand the aluminium vs plastic thing, but that aluminium does scratch easily, and of course, you seem to be oblivious to the existence of 'premium' Windows machines. Yes, Windows is on more than just £250 Acers!

As I said I like both systems. That's opinion. Stating that OSX is far more secure than, say Windows 8, is just plain untrue. Windows XP in 2003 I would give you, but things have moved on.
And I just have to say that 99% of things targeting something, does not make it any less secure. Just the same as theives targeting GTi cars, doesn't make them any less secure than the 1.1e.

Yes, and I'm sure you're qualified & experienced in the area of IT security to make those comments....no? Thought not. It's pointless trying to reason with people like you, just look at the most recent vulnerabilities out there and tell me how many affect OS X vs windows 7/2008 etc (don't bother with windows 8, the takeup is laughable). It's also irrelevant if windows is installed on a £200 or £1000 laptop, it chokes any hardware down to the same level of inefficiency.

If a fanboy is someone who appreciates decent technology then I'm proud to be one.

almillar

I have no IT security qualifications at all.

(don't bother with windows 8, the takeup is laughable)

That's the argument you used to defend OSX - no-one attacks it!
Since you're the pro, why don't you tell me how many? I'm glad you've moved on from Windows XP.
Of course, we're talking about viruses and malware that gets through due to the OS, not due to the user...

it chokes any hardware down to the same level of inefficiency.

Again, I'm not qualified, but I do have some experience. In MY experience, this is outdated XP era stuff.
Your definition of a fanboy is wrong.

zarf2007

almillar wrote: »

I have no IT security qualifications at all.

That's the argument you used to defend OSX - no-one attacks it!
Since you're the pro, why don't you tell me how many? I'm glad you've moved on from Windows XP.
Of course, we're talking about viruses and malware that gets through due to the OS, not due to the user...

Again, I'm not qualified, but I do have some experience. In MY experience, this is outdated XP era stuff.
Your definition of a fanboy is wrong.

here are actual OS vulnerability stats to end of last year:

http://www.gfi.com/blog/report-most-vulnerable-operating-systems-and-applications-in-2013/

to quote:

"Eight of the top 10 vendors registered a substantial increase in the number of vulnerabilities discovered in 2013. Microsoft has – by far – the most ‘high severity’ vulnerabilities, reversing the downward trend over the past few years."

And the point I was making around windows 8/8.1 is that most windows users who have moved from XP have likely migrated to Windows 7 which is still vulnerable.

almillar

Thanks for some actual evidence. Higher than I thought and as you say MS had the highest number of severe ones.
But considerin the number of Windows installs versus OSX, and the amount it gets attacked, 'Most Targeted Operating Systems in 2013' table, AND that it'll include IE, whereas I don't see Safari listed under Applications, that actually makes MS's 341 vulnerabilities not look too bad compared to Apple's 190. 193 of MS's are for IE, which I don't use, and 88 are for XP, which as we've discussed, no-one should be using.
Obviously ideally it should be zero for both. By your own evidence though, OSX isn't exactly 'vulnerability free'.

AliceBanned

Back to my original point..;)

I like this one - £219 in Currys at mo..

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/laptops-netbooks/laptops/laptops/acer-v5-122p-11-6-touchscreen-laptop-silver-21836902-pdt.html