TV licensing threats

MUTTL

Thankyou Kayak
SO,I cant watch sky programmes(such as Atlantic)as they happen, if I don't have a license?

cajef

Kayak10 wrote: »

Then we all ( who watched LIVE tv ) went over to digital there was a period where unless you changed your tv or and aerial u needed a converter box.

More miss-information, you never needed to change your aerial you just needed a digital set top box until you updated your TV to a new one with an inbuilt digital tuner.

silverwhistle

MUTTL wrote: »

Thankyou Kayak
SO,I cant watch sky programmes(such as Atlantic)as they happen, if I don't have a license?

For gawd sake don't ask Kayak, based on what I've seen in this thread he'll misinform you.

(PS: No, you can't.)

Incidentally, I mentioned this once in passing but never got a reply, but was wondering whether, as part of their strategy of getting confessions they use sensitive directional microphones? "Well madam, we know you were watching programme X (sorry, don't have a TV) so fess up and sign here...".

PintAndAPie

No, they don't use microphones. All they do is look through your windows. If they can't see or hear a TV then the only evidence they can gather is what the property owner tells them. I just politely told them that I would not be answering any of their questions and wished them a good day. They stopped knocking after a while but I still get a steady supply of letters to compost.

Swans1912

Apparently this is a description of the capability as detailed in a document seeking a search warrant from a judge (it was actually given).

A television display generates light at specific frequencies. Some of that light escapes through windows usually after being reflected from one or more walls in the room in which the television is situated. The optical detector in the detector van uses a large lens to collect that light and focus it on to an especially sensitive device, which converts fluctuating light signals into electrical signals, which can be electronically analysed. If a receiver is being used to watch broadcast programmes then a positive reading is returned. The device gives a confidence factor in percentage terms, which is determined by the strength of the signal received by the detection equipment and confirms whether or not the source of the signal is a “possible broadcast”.

http://tv-licensing.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/lifting-lid-on-tv-licensings-pandoras.html

MataNui

iKennett wrote: »

Apparently this is a description of the capability as detailed in a document seeking a search warrant from a judge (it was actually given).



http://tv-licensing.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/lifting-lid-on-tv-licensings-pandoras.html

I read that document. It seems the judge was baffled by scientific sounding BS. The thing that must be remembered is that nobody gets to dispute evidence offered when requesting a search warrant. They could have simply said someone looked through the window.

The fact that the judge gave a search warrant based on the BS from capita is more a reflection on his personal gullibility rather than either technical fact or law as no 'expert' could be called to dispute, disprove or even make comment on what TVL said.

As i said the general consensus based on discussions on the IET website is that that document doesnt contain anything that could be submitted in evidence in a proper court case as it would be shot to pieces pretty quickly. Obviously though TVL/Capita consider it OK to BS judges as well as the general public. Just shows again what scant regard these people have for the law.

Swans1912

MataNui wrote: »

As i said the general consensus based on discussions on the IET website is that that document doesnt contain anything that could be submitted in evidence in a proper court case as it would be shot to pieces pretty quickly. Obviously though TVL/Capita consider it OK to BS judges as well as the general public. Just shows again what scant regard these people have for the law.

Couldn't agree more.

I've played by the rules (imposed on me!); i've made a declaration that no TV Licence is required and also revoked their implied right of access to my property. I expect to be left alone - I will happily make the same declaration again in two years if circumstances haven't already changed.

FidgitsID

Kayak10 wrote: »

Our detector vans use the latest GPS satellite technology and can tell in as little as 20 seconds whether a TV is in use. Once the television is detected, the equipment, which works from up to 60m away, can pinpoint the actual room that the television set is in.

A reasonable interpritation of that "scare tactic" would be - we check our database for an address that does not have a licence... then get a guy to turn up and say "you have a tv in the lounge/bedroom/kitchen" (delete as appropriate for time of day visit takes place)

just by saying that they have a good "chance" of being right, but only the gullible would belive it, its just a form of "cold reading" :rotfl:

Kayak10 wrote: »

I agree but " the eyeball " can't define if the light is coming from a live broadcast Where as the equipment TVL are referring to CAN
Whoopsy another bit of " misinformation "

drivel of the highest order, the signals within a tv are so small, there is no way this "detection" would work outside a lab enviroment :rotfl: the modern world is full of background radio noise that would simply drown out the signal.

[Deleted User]

MUTTL wrote: »

1)If I cancel my monthly DD for £12.99 for TV licence, Can I record a terrestrial programme(such as Newsnight), and then watch it back, half an hour later?

Physically yes, but legally NO.

A TV Licence is required, if you watch or record TV programmes, as they are being broadcast.

2)If I cancel my monthly DD for £12.99 for TV licence, Can I still watch my Sky programmes as and when they are on(Live)??

And again, physically yes, but legally NO.

A TV Licence is required to watch/record ANY live broadcasts, not just BBC channels.

[Deleted User]

Kayak10 wrote: »

Afterwards, people who do not subscribe to satellite or cable services will have to buy digital televisions or set-top boxes to continue viewing.

And that relates to aerials how :huh: