PC - Upgrade myself or buy new?

Parva

And for info, yes, I spent over £1000 on this PC but then I use it a lot and mostly for gaming at that. If I wanted something akin to a word-processor or just for generally surfing then yes, I would have bought (or upgraded) something for near a tenth of that cost. I bought 16Gb of RAM because playing some games online with a high FPS really needs it. I do also realise that some are on very limited budgets and want to upgrade as cheaply as possible and that was the basis of my advice. Take it or leave it, I was merely trying to offer options.

(Apologies for my English, the Internet is a big place)

NiftyDigits

Parva wrote: »

And for info, yes, I spent over £1000 on this PC but then I use it a lot and mostly for gaming at that. If I wanted something akin to a word-processor or just for generally surfing then yes, I would have bought (or upgraded) something for near a tenth of that cost. I bought 16Gb of RAM because playing some games online with a high FPS really needs it. I do also realise that some are on very limited budgets and want to upgrade as cheaply as possible and that was the basis of my advice. Take it or leave it, I was merely trying to offer options.

(Apologies for my English, the Internet is a big place)

You certainly did not 'offer any options'. All you have achieved is to clog this thread up with increasing amounts of irrelevant nonsense.

I repeat that we were writing about spending £25 on bringing a PC up to scratch for general usage, but here you are clogging up this thread with your nonsense.
No one needs to know about your 'over £1000' PC.

There are many machines out there that can be brought up to scratch for just a few Pounds. £200 is out of the reach of many people.
Many have no idea that their slow PCs can be remedied at a low cost.

So post something useful or just go away.

Parva

NiftyDigits wrote: »

You certainly did not 'offer any options'. All you have achieved is to clog this thread up with increasing amounts of irrelevant nonsense.

I repeat that we were writing about spending £25 on bringing a PC up to scratch for general usage, but here you are clogging up this thread with your nonsense.
No one needs to know about your 'over £1000' PC.

There are many machines out there that can be brought up to scratch for just a few Pounds. £200 is out of the reach of many people.
Many have no idea that their slow PCs can be remedied at a low cost.

So post something useful or just go away.

Well I could add that SSD's are so damned cheap now and will give a performance boost way over and above any other modification that you could throw at an older PC but hey, what do I know...

Edit: Decided to edit rather than create a new post, don't want to be accused of editing spelling errors or whatever since I may be non-English given this big Interweb hence the last few unedited posts but also don't wish to spam the forum. My '£1000+' machine is probably worth about £12.50 now. It can't really be upgraded as the new Intel CPU's use a different chipset which my motherboard doesn't support. This is typical of computing evolution as I'm sure that you are aware, at no point was my mention of the initial cost of building this current PC meant as an attack or an "I am better than you" attempt. Yes, I spent a lot of money chiefly because I am housebound but also computer savvy and enjoy online gaming. It was worth me spending that money because I tend not to actually get out (not for want of trying).

Apologies if I came over as 'holier than thou', it was not my intention.

NiftyDigits

Parva wrote: »

Well I could add that SSD's are so damned cheap now and will give a performance boost way over and above any other modification that you could throw at an older PC but hey, what do I know...

You did add it and once again you are wrong.

A simple example. My PC has a Celeron D processor. On it's own, playing Full HD material is out of the question. So I fitted a graphics card for £25, which not only allows me to play Full HD material smoothly, but gave me the added functionality of an HDMI output.

So, with your assertion, I can remove the graphics card, replace my HDD with an SSD and my performance will improve above and beyond what I have now?

You are really giving the impression that you are still living with your parents...

PenguinJim

Parva wrote: »

I still fail to see where I ever mentioned using 2nd hand SSD's, furthermore, where did you invent this idea of "considering how much Parva was charged!"? Where exactly did that come from? Apologies for my poor use of English.

You saying that you bought an SSD that you were "pretty certain" was more than six months old when you bought it (based on what you'd said about timescales before, and have just now corrected) simply made it sound like it was a second-hand SSD. I buy first-hand and I therefore know how old my stuff is.

The idea of how much you were charged came from when you told us how much you were charged. £1,000 would be a lot for a dual-SSD system that didn't even last two years, but now you're telling us you only got one SSD for your grand! :eek:

See? Pretty straightforward. I got my information from your posts.

Parva wrote: »

I bought 16Gb of RAM because playing some games online with a high FPS really needs it.

Really? Which online games benefit from 16GB over 8GB? (Sharing that kind of information is genuinely useful, as I only have 8GB and if I'm looking at one of those games, knowing that I'd get better performance if I also upgrade my memory would be helpful)

I did ask before, but at what resolution do you game?

Parva

Sigh, I give up with you two on my case. Try and offer a little advice, get murdered. Still, to answer your questions....

You saying that you bought an SSD that you were "pretty certain" was more than six months old when you bought it (based on what you'd said about timescales before, and have just now corrected) simply made it sound like it was a second-hand SSD. I buy first-hand and I therefore know how old my stuff is.

The idea of how much you were charged came from when you told us how much you were charged. £1,000 would be a lot for a dual-SSD system that didn't even last two years, but now you're telling us you only got one SSD for your grand!

Nice fishing but I actually paid for components and built the PC from scratch. I'm sure that you can appreciate the costs involved in high-end power supplies and graphics cards, and that's way before we get to storage. Regarding resolution, just the standard 1920x1080 currently.

A simple example. My PC has a Celeron D processor. On it's own, playing Full HD material is out of the question. So I fitted a graphics card for £25, which not only allows me to play Full HD material smoothly, but gave me the added functionality of an HDMI output.

So, with your assertion, I can remove the graphics card, replace my HDD with an SSD and my performance will improve above and beyond what I have now?

You are really giving the impression that you are still living with your parents...

My sincere apologies with your Celeron D, perhaps an SSD is not the way to go. I'm also long past living with my parents but thanks for your input.

EDIT: Forgot to add the non-English thing, sorry.

PenguinJim

Parva wrote: »

Nice fishing but I actually paid for components and built the PC from scratch. I'm sure that you can appreciate the costs involved in high-end power supplies and graphics cards, and that's way before we get to storage. Regarding resolution, just the standard 1920x1080 currently.

Yes, I'm familiar with the marketing value of selling "900W" power supplies and "16GB" of RAM to people who simply don't need that much (unless by 'storage' you're referring to some sort of 20TB eight-HDD RAID array?). I had a friend at university who was convinced that his 256MB Radeon 9400 was twice as fast as my 128MB 9800 Pro! :rotfl:

At 1080P you really don't need more than a 660 Ti for a graphics card, nor more than 2GB of VRAM. If you really did get a "high-end" card like a 4GB 680 (two years ago, of course!), you should look at 1440P monitors so that you're actually getting some value from your over-investment. Decent 27" 1440P monitors can be had for ~£200, and you'll finally be using your system properly. Also, if you got a decent CPU two years ago, why not simply overclock it now? The 2500K was cheap 3.5 years ago and is still a fantastic processor today - what did you get?

By the way, which online games are you playing that benefit from more than 8GB of RAM?

NiftyDigits

Parva wrote: »

Sigh, I give up with you two on my case. Try and offer a little advice, get murdered. Still, to answer your questions....


My sincere apologies with your Celeron D, perhaps an SSD is not the way to go. I'm also long past living with my parents but thanks for your input.

So you are admitting that you were wrong?


Once again, no one is interested in your PC.

The title of this thread is "PC - Upgrade myself or buy new?"

The fact that I am still using an eight year old Celeron D 360 is entirely relevant. It lets people know that even have a old processor, that their machines can be brought up to scratch for a small outlay.

Any idiot can spend over £1000 on a PC.

Apart from Gaming, we probably do much the same with our PCs. We certainly have the same screen resolution.

Parva

NiftyDigits wrote: »

So you are admitting that you were wrong?


Once again, no one is interested in your PC.

The title of this thread is "PC - Upgrade myself or buy new?"

The fact that I am still using an eight year old Celeron D 360 is entirely relevant. It lets people know that even have a old processor, that their machines can be brought up to scratch for a small outlay.

Any idiot can spend over £1000 on a PC.

Oh, okay then.

Cycrow

My pc was 4 years old, and it can still play games fine at 1920x1200. And most can even be set to full gfx without a problem.

I only upgraded it recently because im using a higher res now, 5760x1200 which was too high for the old pc.

16gb seems pretty overkill for just gaming, as no game currently is even able to use that much ram