Nice People 12: Nice in Nice

michaels

Doozergirl wrote: »

It's amazing what you forget.

I've just googled for something I wanted to know and followed a link to a thread where I provided the answer on this site. Hmm.

I think the internet has changed how we do memory - I no longer remember how to do things in excel or stats or whatever, even spelling, as the internet 'remembers' for me.....

GDB2222

LydiaJ wrote: »

We don't know that it's genetic. It might be, but we haven't got enough information. Sometimes animals (including human ones) are born with defects that aren't anyone's fault. If there is any possibility that it's genetic, whether that's the breeder's fault or just one of those things, then I am sure they will neuter him.

Still, I'd want a lot more reassurance than we've been given so far that the trauma of such major surgery would be outweighed by the benefit to the dog. We're told nothing about the risks or likely benefits of the operation. And that's before we even get as far as the money.

I'm not a vet, obviously, but wikipedia says it is genetic.

"In dogs, hip dysplasia is an abnormal formation of the hip socket that, in its more severe form, can eventually cause crippling lameness and painful arthritis of the joints. It is a genetic (polygenic) trait that is affected by environmental factors. It can be found in many animals and in humans, but is most commonly associated with dogs, and is common in many dog breeds, particularly the larger breeds."

PasturesNew

Doozergirl wrote: »

It's amazing what you forget.

I've just googled for something I wanted to know and followed a link to a thread where I provided the answer on this site. Hmm.

They say that the first signs of dementia are possible to spot 12 years before it's in full flow

LydiaJ

Something has been bothering me ...

If you have astroturf in your hall, and particularly in your loo, how do you keep it clean????

Doozergirl

LydiaJ wrote: »

Something has been bothering me ...

If you have astroturf in your hall, and particularly in your loo, how do you keep it clean????

I don't think there is an answer to that question. I really wish I'd watched it.

LydiaJ

Doozergirl wrote: »

I don't think there is an answer to that question. I really wish I'd watched it.

You still can. It's on iplayer.

lostinrates

GDB2222 wrote: »

I'm going to get into trouble for saying this, but I blame the breeders. Seriously, a six month old dog with hip dysplasia should be put down, so that he cannot pass on his defective genes. Or at least neutered.

Cannot load story yet, but who would argue that a dog with hip displasia ( or a low hip score) should not enter gene pool?

That's why good breeders with dogs with known hip problems score to reduce incidence. Often they continue to crop up in popular breeds because they are popular breeds.....not just being bred by good breeders. Yes, I'd happily blame poor breeding for some of it.

lostinrates

GDB2222 wrote: »

I'm not a vet, obviously, but wikipedia says it is genetic.

"In dogs, hip dysplasia is an abnormal formation of the hip socket that, in its more severe form, can eventually cause crippling lameness and painful arthritis of the joints. It is a genetic (polygenic) trait that is affected by environmental factors. It can be found in many animals and in humans, but is most commonly associated with dogs, and is common in many dog breeds, particularly the larger breeds."

We don't get it, that I've heard of. But its common in certain breeds.

And yes, I'd agree too that this is partly because of a particularly abhorrent fashion that started. And yes GDb, I'd agree there, its poor breeding practise. I'd also agree it was poor judging that allowed this fashion to set in.

I do know a couple of breeders who left their breeds, I can think ATM of a German Shepard breeder and a gun dog breeder, as a result of these postural fashions that were not nice.

Yep, I won't deny that. Not for a minute. It's pretty undeniable tbh.

I think things started to clean up a lot for a long time. I'm not sure what up and coming generations will think and do. I'm wondering if there will be a bigger divide than ever before tbh. There are more science based approaches, a lot of die hard 'natural approaches' and then the sort of ' cross dog in a bag' generation. Together maybe science and crosses might make for permitted outcrosses for genetic improvement...who knows.

Fwiw, tremendous amounts of cross breeds carry the potential too. Genetics don't disappear because those 'naughty breeders ' aren't involved. Good breeders don't want poor breeders breeding any more than you do GDb. It won't eliminate health problems if they don't , but it would reduce them.


When I looked at a new breed out of group the thing we did was we we looked at what kennel names were appearing over and over again in veteran classes. Its not a foolproof way to start making a cut, but it gives you something to start looking at.....are there loads just going to pet showing homes? Are they a just heavier breeding operation? Or are they really going stronger later on? Why?

GDB2222

lostinrates wrote: »

Cannot load story yet, but who would argue that a dog with hip displasia ( or a low hip score) should not enter gene pool?

That's why good breeders with dogs with known hip problems score to reduce incidence. Often they continue to crop up in popular breeds because they are popular breeds.....not just being bred by good breeders. Yes, I'd happily blame poor breeding for some of it.

I'll just load a bit of the story:

"Alex Mussini's puppy bull mastiff named Tyson was diagnosed with severe hip dysplasia when it was only six months old and Alex is now faced with spending upwards of $5,000 on surgery or putting his dog down."

I'm not very keen on the name Tyson, but I think it's a bit extreme to put a dog down just because it's called that.

The story goes on to say "We are devastated, we are heartbroken; he is a lovely dog .... "

I just think it's such a mean trick to foist this dog on people, let them get attached to him, and only then do they discover that they have bought extremely damaged goods. In this case, it's going to cost them A$5,000 to sort of put right the damage. This is $5,000 they don't have, so they have gone begging on the internet and raised $3,000 so far.

GDB2222

lostinrates wrote: »

Fwiw, tremendous amounts of cross breeds carry the potential too. Genetics don't disappear because those 'naughty breeders ' aren't involved.

Ah, that seems to be my misconception. I rather assumed that when you get a mongrel you are more or less guaranteed not to be buying that sort of genetic illness.

By no means could Doglet be called an elegant dog, but she does seem to be pretty free from illness. I had put it down to her extreme lack of pedigree.