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Really? You mean the RAF would blow up a passenger plane? In mid-air? .
Under some circumstances, yes.
When a plane is hijacked QRA fighters are sent up to intercept.
It will be ordered to change course to avoid populated areas and significant targets and land at a remote military base.
If it refuses to comply and heads for populated areas or high value targets, then since 9/11 the protocol is to shoot it down over a sparsely populated area before it gets there.
Given the sensitivity of such an action, it would normally require specific authorisation from the highest levels of government, ie, the PM or another cabinet member in the event he cannot be reached in time or is incapacitated.
A bomb threat, as was the case today, has a completely different protocol and different response priorities.
In this case the fighters are there to observe and evaluate the situation and make sure it's not a hijack that's been misreported as a bomb threat.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
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Oh well ... we'll be an island again, once they stop all flights.
Flight shutdown's already started over the ebola thing ..... what with plane problems recently and ebola, Brits will be less keen to fly - and unable to once all flights are stopped/barred
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it suggested amongst other things that underground flood doors had been installed on the tube so that a tunnel breach under the Thames could be isolated without the whole system flooding.....
I've seen them. Built in about 1890.
Not used much since the Thames Barrier was built....much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Under some circumstances, yes.
When a plane is hijacked QRA fighters are sent up to intercept.
It will be ordered to change course to avoid populated areas and significant targets and land at a remote military base.
If it refuses to comply and heads for populated areas or high value targets, then since 9/11 the protocol is to shoot it down over a sparsely populated area before it gets there.
Given the sensitivity of such an action, it would normally require specific authorisation from the highest levels of government, ie, the PM or another cabinet member in the event he cannot be reached in time or is incapacitated.
A bomb threat, as was the case today, has a completely different protocol and different response priorities.
In this case the fighters are there to observe and evaluate the situation and make sure it's not a hijack that's been misreported as a bomb threat.
I think there's an extra step or two in there H. The fighter jets will try to force it off course if it doesn't comply. In doing so, the fighter pilot may sacrifice their own life and plane trying to force the new course.
The protocols as you say are different. The priority for any aircrew on-board is to prevent hijackers reaching the cockpit. Bomb threat... Will be being flown by a compliant crew who equally want to get plane on ground asap.Please stay safe in the sun and learn the A-E of melanoma: A = asymmetry, B = irregular borders, C= different colours, D= diameter, larger than 6mm, E = evolving, is your mole changing? Most moles are not cancerous, any doubts, please check next time you visit your GP.
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Nice car LJ :beer:
Happy Birthday for yesterday, chewy - 35 isn't that bad, really.
I watched the Westminster Abbey service and had a tealight in my window. It did seem dark in the street but I don't know how that compared to normal ...
ETA: Good update news, Gen :j0 -
Many Happy Returns, Chewy!
You are over a year younger than I am, so I will be sparing with my sympathy. There are a lot of us of similar ages, though - you, me, Doozer, LIR, lemon, Lydia all within a few years in age, I think. With Nik bringing up the rear as the baby of the group (-:You had an MG?! The first car I bought when I qualified was an MG. I kept it for quite a few years, until we had our first child.
Then a variet of sensible family saloons, including the all powerful Peugeot 505 family estate that NDG raves about, and then the MX5, known as the babe wagon.
Thinking back, very few of our cars have been sold or part exchanged. Several have been driven into the ground, then scrapped. DW wrote three off in crashes, and lived to tell the tale, thank goodness.
3?! That goes beyond accidental and careless, to what.......? Her insurance premiums must have got quite high.
I've never sold or part-xed a car. I've had 3 since I was 17, and of those 3, passed two on to sister #1 and kept the third.
Car 1 was a Ford Escort, passed on to my sister after 2.5 years, and I then got an M reg Astra. On sister's 21st birthday (the Ford had then been written off when sister was innocently some way away from it, and it was parked correctly) sister got the Astra, and I got our current car, a Fiat. It's now very old, but perfectly reliable and has only done 70,000 miles....much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0 -
neverdespairgirl wrote: »Many Happy Returns, Chewy!
You are over a year younger than I am, so I will be sparing with my sympathy. There are a lot of us of similar ages, though - you, me, Doozer, LIR, lemon, Lydia all within a few years in age, I think. With Nik bringing up the rear as the baby of the group (-:
3?! That goes beyond accidental and careless, to what.......? Her insurance premiums must have got quite high.
I've never sold or part-xed a car. I've had 3 since I was 17, and of those 3, passed two on to sister #1 and kept the third.
Car 1 was a Ford Escort, passed on to my sister after 2.5 years, and I then got an M reg Astra. On sister's 21st birthday (the Ford had then been written off when sister was innocently some way away from it, and it was parked correctly) sister got the Astra, and I got our current car, a Fiat. It's now very old, but perfectly reliable and has only done 70,000 miles.
Don't forget that DW is a few years older than you, and those three written-off cars were at roughly 10-yearly intervals. Of her three write-offs, one was definitely not her fault, one was definitely her fault, and one was disputed but probably not her fault.
Also, as cars get more complicated, they become easier to write off from a financial viewpoint. For example, a minor crash that triggers the air bags immediately costs around £3-4k for new airbags, sensors and seat belt tensioners. Add in one or two slightly bent panels, and it may well cost £6k to repair. The car has to have a value of around £10k before the insurance company will consider repairing it.
The accident that was definitely DW's fault was a financial write-off. She crumpled one wing, which could easily be repaired, but the car was judged beyond economic repair.
Our present car is 8 years old and is currently worth around £5-6k. So, anything more than a parking ding will write it off.No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?0 -
Wrote Cl!mence off in March. Writing a car off is one of those things you think you'll never do until it happens...
In my case, it was a very minor bump after the brakes went. Dent in the bonnet, head lamps broken. Insurance company thought new headlamps, new bonnet, plus labour, more than the value of a ten year old Peugeot that's starting to show it's age.
In the end I just left the bonnet. In terms of the head lamps, it was the brackets that hold them in place that were broken, the lamps themselves were fine. My mechanic did them for free because I'd had quite a lot of work done with him (brakes, service, MOT etc.) and it was quite straight forward apparently to make some new brackets from some old bits of metal and weld them on.
So the actual stuff it was written off for cost me nothing and it's roadworthy.
The only issue I noticed recently was this horrendous grinding noise now and again... bit scary when it first happened in a jam on the motorway and I was thinking I might have to abandon the car. But I've figured out it's the fan that comes on when the engine gets hot. So now when the oil temperature gets above 90ish degrees I have to open the windows and put the heating on full blast to prevent the fan coming on. Fun times!“I could see that, if not actually disgruntled, he was far from being gruntled.” - P.G. Wodehouse0 -
PasturesNew wrote: »Oh well ... we'll be an island again, once they stop all flights.
Flight shutdown's already started over the ebola thing ..... what with plane problems recently and ebola, Brits will be less keen to fly - and unable to once all flights are stopped/barred
Short term most of us can plan and for example make sure NP spouses are where they should be..Mr S went to Moscow yesterday...home later:)
I think Mr Silvercar and Dr Tifosi also travel a fair bit.
Ash Clouds and 9/11 - world scale urgent issues are difficult as short term, people end up in the wrong place. Post 9/11 we were very lucky in that OH was home (travelled a lot to US in those days), but US colleagues could not get home, some colleagues on their way toa world conference..spent a week in Bander (Newfoundland) and post Ash Cloud a friends three generation, party of six, long weekend in NY ended up being almost a fortnight and having to move out of NY due to lack of accommodation/cost
If it stretches the displacemnt and when commerce and freight are affected for longer will be interesting0 -
If it stretches the displacemnt and when commerce and freight are affected for longer will be interesting
Last night there was a short news piece saying that Russia was considering closing its airspace to commercial flights from countries taking sanctions against it, and that if that does happen, then Aeroflot would be stopped from flying major routes in retaliation. Hopefully that won't happen. If it does, the disruption will be huge due to the size of Russia's land mass.Please stay safe in the sun and learn the A-E of melanoma: A = asymmetry, B = irregular borders, C= different colours, D= diameter, larger than 6mm, E = evolving, is your mole changing? Most moles are not cancerous, any doubts, please check next time you visit your GP.
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