Help I've got a PCN for pulling into an access road

AdrianC

bod1467 wrote: »

Nothing to justify an extortionate, unenforceable invoice of the level the PPC are claiming.

Odd. I don't see the penalty given anywhere. Yet, somehow, you know it to be "extortionate".

But I'll take that as a "Yes" on the actual facts of the situation - and that it's purely the origin of the penalty you have an issue with. Which implies that, IYHO, ignoring any parking or traffic restrictions is inherently and always justifiable and acceptable, just so long as it's a private organisation rather than an official body issuing the penalty?

anotheruser

Sorry to go slightly off topic here, but does this mean that if I owned a supermarket and employed NCP to look after the security of the car park, stuck up signs saying "over two hours parking mean a find of £60", I can't actually enforce it?

Surely if it's stipulated in the terms of parking, then I would be able to?

AdrianC

anotheruser wrote: »

Sorry to go slightly off topic here, but does this mean that if I owned a supermarket and employed NCP to look after the security of the car park, stuck up signs saying "over two hours parking mean a find of £60", I can't actually enforce it?

You _can_, but it's nowhere near as straightforward as an official parking fine. Unlike a few years ago, recent legal changes have meant that the penalties are much more likely to be enforceable through courts.

Bod seems to be supporting the right of muppets to park anywhere they desire in such a carpark, with impunity and regardless of inconvenience caused to others or the business whose land it is.

bod1467

Bod is doing no such thing - and to imply such is an insult.

All I am doing is saying that the "punishment" does not fit the "crime". And yes - I KNOW it is extortionate even without the OP saying the amount - VCS and this location have featured many times in the Parking sub-forum.

Perhaps YOU should take a look at that NEWBIES thread?

Coupon-mad

AdrianC wrote: »

You _can_, but it's nowhere near as straightforward as an official parking fine. Unlike a few years ago, recent legal changes have meant that the penalties are much more likely to be enforceable through courts.

Bod seems to be supporting the right of muppets to park anywhere they desire in such a carpark, with impunity and regardless of inconvenience caused to others or the business whose land it is.

That's rubbish, sorry, in almost every case - bar a few Private Parking companies with certain signage wording, the legality of which needs to be pulled apart with some extra arguments - it's much easier than a Council PCN appeal.

Appealing and winning EVERY private parking ticket is as simple as emailing or posting two template letters. We have 100% win rate for 15 months, ever since the regulars there first learnt how to appeal successfully to the new 'Parking on Private land Appeals' (POPLA).

Please do pop over to the parking forum board and read the NEWBIES thread. I wrote it, tell me what's difficult about using a template appeal then a similar one at POPLA stage? I also help people on pepipoo fight Council PCNs and even though both are very successful, seeing off this sort of 'fake' PCN is tons easier!

Basically this thread is simply on the wrong forum. Needs to be on the parking board where we would all have known from the location 'Robin Hood' that it was just VCS and not a real justified 'penalty' at all. This is not about causing inconvenience to businesses at all, it's about the fact that a private company STILL cannot fine people.

The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 didn't change the enforceability at all, not even a tweak (it merely changed the person who could be potentially held 'liable' for the 'still unrecoverable' pile of rubbish).

anotheruser wrote: »

Sorry to go slightly off topic here, but does this mean that if I owned a supermarket and employed NCP to look after the security of the car park, stuck up signs saying "over two hours parking mean a fine of £60", I can't actually enforce it?

Surely if it's stipulated in the terms of parking, then I would be able to?

Nope. Neither you nor NCP can fine people and even if you called it a 'parking charge' it's not recoverable unless you are lucky/clever in court (NCP don't do court!).

The_Deep

AdrianC wrote: »

So, iyho, the OP did nothing whatsoever wrong?

The OP Has done nothing wrong. Issuing unenforceable invoices for ridiculous sums of money is a result of the ban on clamping, The Private Parking Companies are trying to recoup their losses by exploiting people ignorant of The Law of Contract.

You really should not enter in arguments on subjects about which you clearly know nothing.

pogofish

anotheruser wrote: »

Sorry to go slightly off topic here, but does this mean that if I owned a supermarket and employed NCP to look after the security of the car park, stuck up signs saying "over two hours parking mean a find of £60", I can't actually enforce it?

Surely if it's stipulated in the terms of parking, then I would be able to?

No! - NCP or Supermarkets/Private landowners do not have any legal authority to issue fines. Only councils, police, courts and certain bodies with specific legal authority can do that.

The only thing they can do is impose a contract that lets them recover any actual loss to the owner/operator - and that is a world away from the sorts of sums they claim on their fake "tickets"

Its idiotic thinking like this that enables these sharks.

pogofish

AdrianC wrote: »

Odd. I don't see the penalty given anywhere. Yet, somehow, you know it to be "extortionate".

Robin Hood/VCS pop-up frequently on the parking board, so we are well-aware of them and their charges/tactics.

And if its issued as a penalty, any wrong would be on their part - That is quite simply criminal.

Issues of right and wrong are rather different when you enter the cowboy word of private parking/traffic management companies.

atilla

AdrianC wrote: »

Odd. I don't see the penalty given anywhere. Yet, somehow, you know it to be "extortionate".

But I'll take that as a "Yes" on the actual facts of the situation - and that it's purely the origin of the penalty you have an issue with. Which implies that, IYHO, ignoring any parking or traffic restrictions is inherently and always justifiable and acceptable, just so long as it's a private organisation rather than an official body issuing the penalty?

Friday boredom?

One can only assume.

trisontana

You can tell what idiots VCS are. This is their standard answer when challanged about parking on the airport approach roads:-

"The roadway in question is part of a high security zone and as such motorists are clearly advised not to park, stop or wait on double yellow lines, red routes zones or roadways at any time"

So is sending out a bit of paper a couple of weeks after the event going to stop terrorist activity ? I don't think so.