"Registered Disabled"?

nannytone_2

jlawrence wrote: »

Thanks Richie, I now know where we stand as viewed by the average general populous - we simply aren't disabled enough! Given that we have to each pay for carers who come to see to our personal needs, have our family to 'muck in' as and when needed, neither of us can walk independently more than a few metres, we just don't 'fit' the accepted criteria.
Never mind it is good to be different.

you dont know if you 'fit'... you said that you havent claimed.
how do you expect to be awarded PIP if you dont bother claiming it?
you cant complain that you dont get it can you?

amibovvered

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

Those who """choose not to claim [BB-DLA-PIP-WPMS] the benefit, fit in?""" choose not to claim, that's their right. In the absence of any real-world claim to disability environment, the only elements we have are those I've mentioned above. Even if, in the touchy-feely, sunshine-and-pixie-dust dreams of wanna-be disabled you had a spare £250,000 to spend on a high court case on disability discrimination law you would still not have a register after wasting your two hundred and fifty thousand pounds. The only UK register of disability are owned by central GOV and the only way to get on it is PIP-DLA-BB-WPMS, there is no real world alternative register. You [and many others on occasions] seem to me to be arguing for the self appointed self assessed exemption we previously had rather than the current methods of testing.

Yes I have said many times in this board that those who do not claim PIP-DLA-BB-WPMS in my view are indeed probably not disabled enough, and should not be able to access in the 'gifted and given way' those services that the recipients of PIP-DLA-BB-WPMS do. Thanks for the information on BB prescribed 'subject to further' criteria, I have also stated many times that anyone who feels for whatever reason they should avail themselves of a BB should apply for an O/T assessment, if successful they would be deserving - if unsuccessful they would be probably not disabled enough.

Frankly, this is stupid and insulting. How dare you suggest that, for example, deafness is not a disability? Just because I do not have the 'care' needs that would enable me to claim PIP or DLA does not mean I don't have a disability. Do you regard the Equality Act as being 'touchy-feely, sunshine-and-pixie-dust dreams of wanna-be disabled'? Because I, and a great many others with genuine disabilities, fit the criteria, under the act, of disability. A friend of mine has a prosthetic leg. She has two children, holds down a full-time job and has a number of hobbies. She does not qualify for PIP or DLA because she is perfectly capable of looking after herself, her family and her home without needing help. But by your 'definition', she is not disabled.

jlawrence

nannytone wrote: »

you dont know if you 'fit'... you said that you havent claimed.
how do you expect to be awarded PIP if you dont bother claiming it?
you cant complain that you dont get it can you?

Hi Nanny, I'm talking about fitting into the 'mould' as defined by Richie. His attitude seems to suggest that for those that do not have a PIP/DLA award they are not disabled enough. In other words having a PIP/DLA award signals that a qualifying level of disability exists. Pity those that do have a genuine and difficult disability if they choose not to claim that benefit - the disability is somehow seen as insignificant.

jlawrence

amibovvered wrote: »

Frankly, this is stupid and insulting. How dare you suggest that, for example, deafness is not a disability? Just because I do not have the 'care' needs that would enable me to claim PIP or DLA does not mean I don't have a disability. Do you regard the Equality Act as being 'touchy-feely, sunshine-and-pixie-dust dreams of wanna-be disabled'? Because I, and a great many others with genuine disabilities, fit the criteria, under the act, of disability. A friend of mine has a prosthetic leg. She has two children, holds down a full-time job and has a number of hobbies. She does not qualify for PIP or DLA because she is perfectly capable of looking after herself, her family and her home without needing help. But by your 'definition', she is not disabled.

Hi, exactly. If you can't wave that little piece of paper above your head then unfortunately it seems that you aren't as disabled as you may think you are! Only that piece of paper is the proof that a disability of such magnitude exists. Taking it to the extreme, if someone is within days of dying, messes themselves, can't feed themselves, etc., they by Richie's definition aren't that disabled simply because they haven't bothered to claim PIP/DLA or simply can't physically make that claim. This reminds me of my mum who died 11 years ago from cancer. She suffered awfully in the last 4/5 months yet she never claimed Attendance Allowance ((aged 76). I suppose she wasn't disabled either.

Parva

amibovvered wrote: »

I have a profound hearing loss, and am disabled as defined by the Equality Act. Because of that, I qualify for a NOW bus pass, and possibly other things too. However, I have no mobility issues so would not require (or be entitled to) a Blue Badge or DLA.

So to use receipt of DLA/PIP as proof of disability would exclude me and many others who may be entitled to help with issues other than mobility.

So, by your reckoning you should be entitled to a Blue Badge due to the deafness issue? Is this what you are saying? This isn't an attack, I'm trying to figure what the issue is here.

Edit: Don't listen to lawrence (aka Andy) and his bile, he'll be banned soon enough.

Richie-from-the-Boro

amibovvered wrote: »

Frankly, this is stupid and insulting. How dare you suggest that, for example, deafness is not a disability? Just because I do not have the 'care' needs that would enable me to claim PIP or DLA does not mean I don't have a disability. Do you regard the Equality Act as being 'touchy-feely, sunshine-and-pixie-dust dreams of wanna-be disabled'? Because I, and a great many others with genuine disabilities, fit the criteria, under the act, of disability. A friend of mine has a prosthetic leg. She has two children, holds down a full-time job and has a number of hobbies. She does not qualify for PIP or DLA because she is perfectly capable of looking after herself, her family and her home without needing help. But by your 'definition', she is not disabled.

I did not say you did not have a disability, I said you were not sufficiently disabled to be on the BB-DLA-PIP-WPMS register - or chose not to be on the BB-DLA-PIP-WPMS register. If you have a physical or mental impairment which has a substantial and long term adverse effect on your ability to carry out normal day-to-day activities you fit within the broad scope of both the DDA and PIP and should apply for PIP for the registration benefits it will bring you including the probability of a blue badge.

The title of this thread, the question asked, and my responses are all directed to the question the O/P poses which was """can anyone help or advise how I get registered as disabled""". You with the engineered help of Andy & Flo are dragging the subject off topic, you are being manipulated by a troll. Now just in case you never noticed others warning you where this thread was going I'm saying it again! .. .. .. These threads always descend into the claim that 'my disability is worse than your disability card' or the 'my disability is worth more money than you disability card' or the 'my disability is more painful than you disability card'. You used to be able to count the incidents per week just a few short years ago, these days thankfully not so often, you can only count the incidents per year.

She does not qualify for PIP or DLA because she is perfectly capable of looking after herself, her family and her home without needing help. But by your 'definition', she is not disabled.

- agreed ! - - she is not sufficiently disabled to claim PIP-DLA-BB-WPMS and enjoy the benefits of the GOV register of disabled
- and should not be able to access in the 'gifted and given way' those services that the recipients of PIP-DLA-BB-WPMS do

nannytone_2

jlawrence wrote: »

Hi Nanny, I'm talking about fitting into the 'mould' as defined by Richie. His attitude seems to suggest that for those that do not have a PIP/DLA award they are not disabled enough. In other words having a PIP/DLA award signals that a qualifying level of disability exists. Pity those that do have a genuine and difficult disability if they choose not to claim that benefit - the disability is somehow seen as insignificant.

i think Richie may have worded his post poorly, but in essence, i agree with what he is saying.
he probably means most people that dont claim a disability benefit don have 'life impacting' disabilities, rather than meaning they are not at all disabled.
deafness must be extremely frustrating, an personallt, i would class it as a disability.
is it as disabling as an inability to walk or severe learning issues? probably not, but anything that causes anyone to do anything in a way that is 'different' from the norm ( through becessity and not choice) is disabled.
but, as with most things, there are degrees ....

jlawrence

nannytone wrote: »

i think Richie may have worded his post poorly, but in essence, i agree with what he is saying.
he probably means most people that dont claim a disability benefit don have 'life impacting' disabilities, rather than meaning they are not at all disabled.
deafness must be extremely frustrating, an personallt, i would class it as a disability.
is it as disabling as an inability to walk or severe learning issues? probably not, but anything that causes anyone to do anything in a way that is 'different' from the norm ( through becessity and not choice) is disabled.
but, as with most things, there are degrees ....

Hi Nanny, I am pleased that you have used the word' most'. Yes there are some that don't claim, don't have a life impacting disability. There are equally some that choose not to claim which doesn't mean to say that they don't have a life impacting disability. There are many that do have a life impacting disability but for one reason or another would certainly be awarded PIP if they claimed it. It certainly does not mean that ALL that don't claim it must not have a life impacting disability.
I think Richie is of the opinion that anybody that does have a life impacting disability will always claim PIP.
Clearly the OP quite possibly would be awarded PIP if claimed, but it is their choice to claim it or not and no inference should be taken if they choose not to.

Confuseddot

amibovvered wrote: »

Frankly, this is stupid and insulting. How dare you suggest that, for example, deafness is not a disability? Just because I do not have the 'care' needs that would enable me to claim PIP or DLA does not mean I don't have a disability. Do you regard the Equality Act as being 'touchy-feely, sunshine-and-pixie-dust dreams of wanna-be disabled'? Because I, and a great many others with genuine disabilities, fit the criteria, under the act, of disability. A friend of mine has a prosthetic leg. She has two children, holds down a full-time job and has a number of hobbies. She does not qualify for PIP or DLA because she is perfectly capable of looking after herself, her family and her home without needing help. But by your 'definition', she is not disabled.

Given that the equality act is very broad and includes people with a stutter then its probably not a good basis to describe someone as disabled.


What would be your criteria ?

Richie-from-the-Boro

jlawrence wrote: »

Hi Nanny, I am pleased that you have used the word' most'. Yes there are some that don't claim, don't have a life impacting disability. There are equally some that choose not to claim which doesn't mean to say that they don't have a life impacting disability. There are many that do have a life impacting disability but for one reason or another would certainly be awarded PIP if they claimed it. It certainly does not mean that ALL that don't claim it must not have a life impacting disability.
I think Richie is of the opinion that anybody that does have a life impacting disability will always claim PIP.
Clearly the OP quite possibly would be awarded PIP if claimed, but it is their choice to claim it or not and no inference should be taken if they choose not to.

Richie as I've clearly stated has the opinion that money designed for mobility & care needs should go to those whom the state measures by tests are sufficiently disabled to need that money to improve their care & mobility. If you can not self care and self mobilise then the state gives help and you go onto the states register of those it considers disabled. If you can independently afford to pay others to help with your inability to self care and self mobilise, then you don't need that helping hand ~ or ~ your self apponted disability is not sufficiently disabling in the legislation to warrent state aid, and then clearly you do not go onto the states UK register of those it considers disabled.