"Registered Disabled"?

amibovvered

Indie_Kid wrote: »

If your deafness is so severe that you can be registered as deaf, you should still be able to get concessions. I've managed to get concessions based on just my bus pass.

Yes, I expect so, but I was responding to the posters who were suggesting that DLA/PIP should be the equivalent of being 'registered disabled' in terms of being 'proof' of disability, and pointing out that you could be disabled without being eligible for benefits.

Also, what do you mean when you say 'registered as deaf'? If you mean with the LA, severity is not a requirement for being registered! Although as I said I 'qualify' under the Equality Act, there is nowhere to register that.

By the way, I'm not having a pop at you personally, I do appreciate your helpfulness, it's just that there is so much confusion about being 'registered disabled'.

Indie_Kid

amibovvered wrote: »

Yes, I expect so, but I was responding to the posters who were suggesting that DLA/PIP should be the equivalent of being 'registered disabled' in terms of being 'proof' of disability, and pointing out that you could be disabled without being eligible for benefits.

I mentioned earlier in the thread that I don't agree with DLA / PIP being proof that you're disabled. Many disabled people do meet the criteria for being disabled; but not the criteria for DLA / PIP.

Also, what do you mean when you say 'registered as deaf'? If you mean with the LA, severity is not a requirement for being registered! Although as I said I 'qualify' under the Equality Act, there is nowhere to register that.

I meant with the LA, yes.

jlawrence

Indie_Kid wrote: »

I mentioned earlier in the thread that I don't agree with DLA / PIP being proof that you're disabled. Many disabled people do meet the criteria for being disabled; but not the criteria for DLA / PIP.

Hi Indie, thankfully we agree on that point. Claiming and being awarded DLA/PIP should never be a requirement as evidence of a disability, no matter what Nannytoone says. As you say there are those that don't fit the DLA/PIP criteria and those that do, but refuse to claim the benefit. To start waving the DLA/PIP award letter around suggesting that it is only the proof needed is an insult to those that don't get the award for any reason. We would not be too happy to be told that we aren't disabled enough because we haven't got that piece of paper.

Richie-from-the-Boro

jlawrence wrote: »

Hi Indie, thankfully we agree on that point. Claiming and being awarded DLA/PIP should never be a requirement as evidence of a disability, no matter what Nannytone says. As you say there are those that don't fit the DLA/PIP criteria and those that do, but refuse to claim the benefit. To start waving the DLA/PIP award letter around suggesting that it is only the proof needed is an insult to those that don't get the award for any reason. We would not be too happy to be told that we aren't disabled enough because we haven't got that piece of paper.

DLA /PIP is a GOV register of proof of each disabled UK citizen, any other legacy register is and was at the time a largely self appointed self assessed and incomplete register. To suggest that such a document should not be offered as evidence of disability is blind irrationality. Touchy-feely, sunshine-and-pixie-dust registers do not exist - DLA /PIP evidence does, you can argue for your own opinion [STRIKE][Andy][/STRIKE], but not your own facts.

nannytone_2

jlawrence wrote: »

Hi Indie, thankfully we agree on that point. Claiming and being awarded DLA/PIP should never be a requirement as evidence of a disability, no matter what Nannytoone says. As you say there are those that don't fit the DLA/PIP criteria and those that do, but refuse to claim the benefit. To start waving the DLA/PIP award letter around suggesting that it is only the proof needed is an insult to those that don't get the award for any reason. We would not be too happy to be told that we aren't disabled enough because we haven't got that piece of paper.

@no matter what nannytone says'?
i am merely pointing out the situation as it stands not saying i agree with it.

thetre would be no point in my telling anyone ' i think this should happen or i think that should happen' if in fact it isnt what actually happens!

jlawrence

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

DLA /PIP is a GOV register of proof of each disabled UK citizen, any other legacy register is and was at the time a largely self appointed self assessed and incomplete register. To suggest that such a document should not be offered as evidence of disability is blind irrationality. Touchy-feely, sunshine-and-pixie-dust registers do not exist - DLA /PIP evidence does, you can argue for your own opinion but not your own facts.

Hi Richie, I'm not disputing that PIP/DLA does demonstrate a certain level of some type of disability. However where in your thinking do those that don't fit the PIP/DLA criteria or those that would fit but choose not to claim the benefit, fit in? Are they to be assumed as not being disabled enough? Not able to access those services that the recipients of PIP/DLA get? You can be just as disabled irrespective of whether you choose to put yourself through the torture and indignity of claiming a benefit.
Much the same for a Blue Badge. There are two routes to get one. Claim and be awarded mobility of PIP/DLA or apply to the council and be assessed by them. You don't need to have PIP/DLA mobility to prove entitlement thank goodness otherwise those over 65 and those under 65 that choose not to claim/cannot claim PIP/DLA would lose out.

Richie-from-the-Boro

jlawrence wrote: »

Hi Richie, I'm not disputing that PIP/DLA does demonstrate a certain level of some type of disability. However where in your thinking do those that don't fit the PIP/DLA criteria or those that would fit but choose not to claim the benefit, fit in? Are they to be assumed as not being disabled enough? Not able to access those services that the recipients of PIP/DLA get? You can be just as disabled irrespective of whether you choose to put yourself through the torture and indignity of claiming a benefit.
Much the same for a Blue Badge. There are two routes to get one. Claim and be awarded mobility of PIP/DLA or apply to the council and be assessed by them. You don't need to have PIP/DLA mobility to prove entitlement thank goodness otherwise those over 65 and those under 65 that choose not to claim/cannot claim PIP/DLA would lose out.

Those who """choose not to claim [BB-DLA-PIP-WPMS] the benefit, fit in?""" choose not to claim, that's their right. In the absence of any real-world claim to disability environment, the only elements we have are those I've mentioned above. Even if, in the touchy-feely, sunshine-and-pixie-dust dreams of wanna-be disabled you had a spare £250,000 to spend on a high court case on disability discrimination law you would still not have a register after wasting your two hundred and fifty thousand pounds. The only UK register of disability are owned by central GOV and the only way to get on it is PIP-DLA-BB-WPMS, there is no real world alternative register. You [and many others on occasions] seem to me to be arguing for the self appointed self assessed exemption we previously had rather than the current methods of testing.

Yes I have said many times in this board that those who do not claim PIP-DLA-BB-WPMS in my view are indeed probably not disabled enough, and should not be able to access in the 'gifted and given way' those services that the recipients of PIP-DLA-BB-WPMS do. Thanks for the information on BB prescribed 'subject to further' criteria, I have also stated many times that anyone who feels for whatever reason they should avail themselves of a BB should apply for an O/T assessment, if successful they would be deserving - if unsuccessful they would be probably not disabled enough.

jlawrence

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

Those who """choose not to claim [BB-DLA-PIP-WPMS] the benefit, fit in?""" choose not to claim, that's their right. In the absence of any real-world claim to disability environment, the only elements we have are those I've mentioned above. Even if, in the touchy-feely, sunshine-and-pixie-dust dreams of wanna-be disabled you had a spare £250,000 to spend on a high court case on disability discrimination law you would still not have a register after wasting your two hundred and fifty thousand pounds. The only UK register of disability are owned by central GOV and the only way to get on it is PIP-DLA-BB-WPMS, there is no real world alternative register. You [and many others on occasions] seem to me to be arguing for the self appointed self assessed exemption we previously had rather than the current methods of testing.

Yes I have said many times in this board that those who do not claim PIP-DLA-BB-WPMS in my view are indeed probably not disabled enough, and should not be able to access in the 'gifted and given way' those services that the recipients of PIP-DLA-BB-WPMS do. Thanks for the information on BB prescribed 'subject to further' criteria, I have also stated many times that anyone who feels for whatever reason they should avail themselves of a BB should apply for an O/T assessment, if successful they would be deserving - if unsuccessful they would be probably not disabled enough.

Thanks Richie, I now know where we stand as viewed by the average general populous - we simply aren't disabled enough! Given that we have to each pay for carers who come to see to our personal needs, have our family to 'muck in' as and when needed, neither of us can walk independently more than a few metres, we just don't 'fit' the accepted criteria.
Never mind it is good to be different.

cbrown372

jlawrence wrote: »

Thanks Richie, I now know where we stand as viewed by the average general populous - we simply aren't disabled enough! Given that we have to each pay for carers who come to see to our personal needs, have our family to 'muck in' as and when needed, neither of us can walk independently more than a few metres, we just don't 'fit' the accepted criteria.
Never mind it is good to be different.

Never mind Andy, you have your £100k compo to pay for your carers :beer:

jlawrence

cbrown372 wrote: »

Never mind, you have your £100k compo to pay for your carers :beer:

Thanks brown. yes we do thank goodness. That is what it was paid to us for.