DWP dirty tactics

lighting_up_the_chalice

mattcanary wrote: »

Incidentally, the proportion of direct taxes compared to indirect taxes that the UK government collects is low, compared to most other developed countries.
Indirect taxes affect those on benefits on average just as much as those people not on benefits (unlike direct taxes)

But that needn't be the case, if they spent their money in the way many feel it should be spent.

mattcanary

lighting_up_the_chalice wrote: »

But that needn't be the case, if they spent their money in the way many feel it should be spent.

Be that as it may. It doesn't change the facts as they stand.
Besides, if they don't spend any money on cigarettes, alcohol, hot food, etc the people on benefits would be "paying their way" even less than they do now. And I thought all you benefits bashers thought that everyone should contribute?


The notion that the government's money is the taxpayer's money is nonsense.
Where do the taxpayers get their money from initially?
From their employers if they are employed. Their employer decides to part with some ofg their money to their employees - the "taxpayer"
And where do their employers get their money from? Answer: their customers.
And where do their customers get their money from? Other employers (and sometimes the government through various forms of benefit).


It is all circular.
The idea of "government spending taxpayers money" is just ridiculous really.

epitome

I find all this "government doesn't have money" talk tiresome and childish.

Someone here is acting like a troll and they are going to be on my ignore -not that they would care, seeing as they are troll-like

lighting_up_the_chalice

mattcanary wrote: »

Be that as it may. It doesn't change the facts as they stand.


The notion that the government's money is the taxpayer's money is nonsense.
Where do the taxpayers get their money from initially?
From their employers if they are employed. Their employer decides to part with some ofg their money to their employees - the "taxpayer"
And where do their employers get their money from? Answer: their customers.
And where do their customers get their money from? Other employers (and sometimes the government through various forms of benefit).


It is all circular.
The idea of "government spending taxpayers money" is just ridiculous really.

It's not circular, though. There has to be fresh money injected into the system in order for governments to continue to scrape the cream off.

mattcanary

lighting_up_the_chalice wrote: »

It's not circular, though. There has to be fresh money injected into the system in order for governments to continue to scrape the cream off.

Well, that fresh money certainly isn't generated by the typical "hardworking families" that David Cameron seems so keen on appealing to.


In many cases such people just go to work each day, doing basically the same thing each day. Indeed, some of them just get through each day doing as little work as possible in order to get by and get their monthly wages paid without any problem.
Then moan about other people "milking from the taxpayer".
Ideas which many on this forum seem to represent
The fresh money is generated by entrepreneurs maybe.

dippy3103

I think a more likely explanation is, if it's a private company, is that they are penalised for every claim that's outstanding after a certain number of days and therefore you get one chance...

lighting_up_the_chalice

mattcanary wrote: »

Well, that fresh money certainly isn't generated by the typical "hardworking families" that David Cameron seems so keen on appealing to.


In many cases such people just go to work each day, doing basically the same thing each day. Indeed, some of them just get through each day doing as little work as possible in order to get by and get their monthly wages paid without any problem.
Then moan about other people "milking from the taxpayer".
Ideas which many on this forum seem to represent
The fresh money is generated by entrepreneurs maybe.

Quite the contrary. Much fresh money is attracted by adding value to raw materials. And much of that added value is produced by typical hardworking families.

mattcanary

lighting_up_the_chalice wrote: »

Quite the contrary. Much fresh money is attracted by adding value to raw materials. And much of that added value is produced by typical hardworking families.

Ok, that is definitely true.


However, I do feel that the people that moan most about people on benefits are the same people that are lazy themselves (even if they are in employment).
Just as for example, many people that are most critical of gays and lesbians are really pretty unsure about their own sexuality.
ie: they attack others as a means of hiding their own insecurities from themselves.

lighting_up_the_chalice

mattcanary wrote: »

Ok, that is definitely true.


However, I do feel that the people that moan most about people on benefits are the same people that are lazy themselves (even if they are in employment).
Just as for example, many people that are most critical of gays and lesbians are really pretty unsure about their own sexuality.
ie: they attack others as a means of hiding their own insecurities from themselves.

I think some of them are people who see a system riddled with unfairness and abuse to such an extent that it is damaging the country as a whole and, as a result, effecting them as individuals.

I think some of them are people who understand the true value and benefit of employment and self reliance and despair at a society which seems to promote idleness and begging as positives.

I think some are people sickened by the idea of a poverty industry, created and run by those who make income from perpetuating the poverty of those they profess to represent.

I have no idea about their sexuality.

whodathunkit

mattcanary wrote: »

Well, that fresh money certainly isn't generated by the typical "hardworking families" that David Cameron seems so keen on appealing to.


In many cases such people just go to work each day, doing basically the same thing each day. Indeed, some of them just get through each day doing as little work as possible in order to get by and get their monthly wages paid without any problem.
Then moan about other people "milking from the taxpayer".
Ideas which many on this forum seem to represent
The fresh money is generated by entrepreneurs maybe.

Yep, that's what most people do to put a roof over their children's heads and food in their bellies. Disgraceful, isn't it?