DWP dirty tactics

mattcanary

lighting_up_the_chalice wrote: »

No-one is stopping you. But, as an adult, you must also take responsibility for the consequences of your own actions/choices.

Eh?
I have already stated why it is unrealistic for organisations to expect anyone to be at their beck and call, 7 days a week, 24 hours a day.


More reasons - you are being served in a shop, you are having sex, you are on the toilet, you are driving a car, you are transporting heavy objects into a vehicle, you are at the gym on a treadmill listening to music on your Ipod to encourage you to keep on running, in a doctors' room, donating blood, having a minor operation in hospital, etc, etc, etc




I can hardly see Tescos just throwing away your wallet if you leave it in their shop by accident, just because you didn't answer their phone call.
The situation is no different. Losing your wallet means you may be without money, as does delaying your benefit claim if you don't answer a phone call from DWP (whether through a good reason or not).




How are the DWP going to know why someone doesn;t answer their phone call to them?
Obviously they won't know - so they shouldn;t penalise people without giving them a chance to get back to them.


I fail to see how anyone can fail to understand this.

whodathunkit

epitome wrote: »

So the government isn't trying to "save money" these last 5 years by introducing cut backs, cutting spending, ?

Rather a difference between the government saving money (ie ours) and "saves the government quite a bit of money", which was what you said.

whodathunkit

mattcanary wrote: »

Eh?
I have already stated why it is unrealistic for organisations to expect anyone to be at their beck and call, 7 days a week, 24 hours a day.


More reasons - you are being served in a shop, you are having sex, you are on the toilet, you are driving a car, you are transporting heavy objects into a vehicle, you are at the gym on a treadmill listening to music on your Ipod to encourage you to keep on running, in a doctors' room, donating blood, having a minor operation in hospital, etc, etc, etc




I can hardly see Tescos just throwing away your wallet if you leave it in their shop by accident, just because you didn't answer their phone call.
The situation is no different. Losing your wallet means you may be without money, as does delaying your benefit claim if you don't answer a phone call from DWP (whether through a good reason or not).




How are the DWP going to know why someone doesn;t answer their phone call to them?
Obviously they won't know - so they shouldn;t penalise people without giving them a chance to get back to them.


I fail to see how anyone can fail to understand this.

If you're expecting an organisation to supply you with money, it's not unreasonable for you to be at their beck and call.

In addition, the OP never gave any indication that his phone had any mechanism for taking messages so know way of knowing whether anybody tried to leave a message for him.

mattcanary

whodathunkit wrote: »

Rather a difference between the government saving money (ie ours) and "saves the government quite a bit of money", which was what you said.

As I have said, the government (through many of their actions) have demonstrated they are not saving money a lot of the time, anyway (regardless of whether it is ours, raised by taxes on businesses, interest on government bonds, or in any other way).
Incidentally, benefit claimants do pay tax as well so some of the money the government is spending on JSA, etc was originally the benefit claimants, as well as yours.

mattcanary

whodathunkit wrote: »

If you're expecting an organisation to supply you with money, it's not unreasonable for you to be at their beck and call.

In addition, the OP never gave any indication that his phone had any mechanism for taking messages so know way of knowing whether anybody tried to leave a message for him.

It is unreasonable when it is impossible for anyone to be able to answer their phone at any time. That is quite clearly obvious.


The DWP don't leave messages on phones, anyway.
So your second point is irrelevant

lighting_up_the_chalice

mattcanary wrote: »

Eh?
I have already stated why it is unrealistic for organisations to expect anyone to be at their beck and call, 7 days a week, 24 hours a day.

No. You intimated that a job interview on a bank holiday was perfectly reasonable.

mattcanary wrote: »

More reasons -
you are being served in a shop, Choice
you are having sex, Choice
you are on the toilet, You CAN talk and !!!! at the same time.
you are driving a car, Hands-free?
you are transporting heavy objects into a vehicle, Put them down and answer the phone?
you are at the gym on a treadmill listening to music on your Ipod to encourage you to keep on running, Choice
in a doctors' room, Then answer it!
donating blood, Choice
having a minor operation in hospital, so not available for work?




I can hardly see Tescos just throwing away your wallet if you leave it in their shop by accident, just because you didn't answer their phone call.
The situation is no different. Losing your wallet means you may be without money, as does delaying your benefit claim if you don't answer a phone call from DWP (whether through a good reason or not).

That situation is VERY different. Tesco need you to choose to come back to them to get money from you. The DWP will save money if you leave them alone.

mattcanary wrote: »

How are the DWP going to know why someone doesn;t answer their phone call to them?
Obviously they won't know - so they shouldn;t penalise people without giving them a chance to get back to them.

The OP had every chance. Once he saw the missed call, he could easily have given the DWP a ring to see if they were trying to contact him. It is worth remembering that HE is seeking money from THEM.

mattcanary wrote: »

I fail to see how anyone can fail to understand this.

Your failure is not my concern.

mattcanary

lighting_up_the_chalice wrote: »

No. You intimated that a job interview on a bank holiday was perfectly reasonable.




That situation is VERY different. Tesco need you to choose to come back to them to get money from you. The DWP will save money if you leave them alone.





The OP had every chance. Once he saw the missed call, he could easily have given the DWP a ring to see if they were trying to contact him. It is worth remembering that HE is seeking money from THEM.




Your failure is not my concern.[/QUOTE






Are you for real?


I don't disagree with you that you can get back to the DWP by the way - if you know they have tried to get in touch with you in the first place!


You don't pick up the phone when you are in the middle of having a s**t, or when a doctor is talking to you in the middle of an appointment.
It is a matter of manners.


Life and its quirks cannot always be solved by joining little dots together, where things never deviate from what is laid out in front of you. The DWP (and you) must surely realise this.




The DWP would save money if they closed down all hospitals, police stations, schools, prisons, fire stations, passport offices, etc, etc, etc.
Does that make it the right thing to do?
Not everything is about saving money - unless you want to see anarchy within the UK.


And I repeat: the government have often increased their spending not decreased it through changes they have made to the benefits system and how it is administered.

lighting_up_the_chalice

mattcanary wrote: »

Are you for real?

I don't disagree with you that you can get back to the DWP by the way - if you know they have tried to get in touch with you in the first place!

You don't pick up the phone when you are in the middle of having a s**t, or when a doctor is talking to you in the middle of an appointment.
It is a matter of manners.

Life and its quirks cannot always be solved by joining little dots together, where things never deviate from what is laid out in front of you. The DWP (and you) must surely realise this.

The DWP would save money if they closed down all hospitals, police stations, schools, prisons, fire stations, passport offices, etc, etc, etc.
Does that make it the right thing to do?
Not everything is about saving money - unless you want to see anarchy within the UK.

And I repeat: the government have often increased their spending not decreased it through changes they have made to the benefits system and how it is administered.

I guess it depends how important the service they offer is to you. A bit like waiting in for the gas man. If you need the boiler looked at, you will cancel other arrangements and wait.

The DWP don't fund hospitals, police stations, schools, prisons, fire stations, passport offices, etc, etc, etc, so closing them all down wouldn't save them a penny. In fact, with all those nurses, police officers etc etc out of work, it would probably cost them more.

mattcanary

lighting_up_the_chalice wrote: »

I guess it depends how important the service they offer is to you. A bit like waiting in for the gas man. If you need the boiler looked at, you will cancel other arrangements and wait.

The DWP don't fund hospitals, police stations, schools, prisons, fire stations, passport offices, etc, etc, etc, so closing them all down wouldn't save them a penny. In fact, with all those nurses, police officers etc etc out of work, it would probably cost them more.

The DWP is ultimately run and funded by the government, as are all of the other services I have mentioned (and many more).
The money is all part of the same big pot, even if it is divided up into many different departments.
People cannot get away with paying only that part of the tax they individually believe is going towards a worthwhile cause .
And the money is only divided up into different departments by the government once it has been received from taxpayers, interest, etc
Ultimately the money is the government's.
It is not all about saving money. Services (whether they are the DWP or any other) still have to exist and run at least reasonably efficiently.

custardy

gibson1 wrote: »

Actually, the payment starts 3 days after the claim. The claim itself starts the day you contact them.

I couldn't care less what you do and don't believe.

I don't answer withheld numbers. Do you have a problem with that?

If you don't like this thread, then don't read it. Take your ignorant attitude elsewhere.

In which case. It being a bank holiday is moot.
You would never has answered the call.