Selling engagement ring

purpleshoes_2

Ransoman wrote: »

And that is what is wrong with this country. You can do anything you want no matter how moraly wrong it is, just because it is legal.

This forum is full of people who have been ripped off by loan companies, utilities companies etc etc. and they are hurt and upset but what these companies do is LEGAL. Does that justify their actions?

I don't give a flying pig what is legal. Do what is moraly right. you will be a better person for it and this country might eventually be a better place.

Giving one ring back will make the country a better place?

Trying to work out how that's the case.

Let the OP make up her own mind.

Pollycat

Ransoman wrote: »

And that is what is wrong with this country. You can do anything you want no matter how moraly wrong it is, just because it is legal.

Maybe there is a different country somewhere where you would be happier.....?

Ransoman wrote: »

This forum is full of people who have been ripped off by loan companies, utilities companies etc etc. and they are hurt and upset but what these companies do is LEGAL. Does that justify their actions?

Maybe it doesn't justify their actions, but as long as they are not breaking the law (and that doesn't mean breaking morals), then that is how this country works.

Ransoman wrote: »

I don't give a flying pig what is legal. Do what is moraly right.

But it doesn't really matter what you do or don't give a flying pig about.

The OP does not have to do what you believe is morally right.

Personally, I don't believe keeping an engagement ring is morally wrong - and it certainly isn't legally wrong.

SavingPennies_2

Ransoman wrote: »

Was it though?

If a man presents a ring to a woman and says "Will you marry me?". He is saying, as per the tradition, Will you promise to marry me and accept this as a token of the promise. If the promise is broken NO MATTER who is at fault, the ring should be returned.

If you want to be less emotional about it, replace the word promise with Contract.

He did not say. "I am gifting you this ring... here take it..... can we get married?"

I am not defending any man that cheats. That is not on. But no woman should justify keeping the ring for themselves, either morally, ethically or legally.

Please take the high ground and just return it, if it is any satisfaction to you, if the man has a concious, he will be upset by the return of the ring and it may even hit home his mistake.

Eh? does the promise of marriage only work one way? Why should the woman give the ring back if the man broke the promise?

ska_lover

Peater wrote: »

Would the details justify the reason for the theft to you or are you just prying?

Are you genuinely interested in my reason or just prying? :rotfl:

jaylee3

Peater wrote: »

I think you are doing womankind a disservice in this thread if i'm honest.

It's materialistic and stinks of money-grabbing. Neither are attractive qualities.

If he'd bought you a car to use, then you broke up, it wouldn't be your car to sell.

Yes it would.

What planet are you on?

If something is bought for me, it's mine.

If I choose to sell it after a relationship break up I will.

Sod being labelled a money-grabber by the ill-informed holier-than-thou folk who think that selling your OWN possessions is theft. (PMSL) :rotfl:

It's mine. I will do what I want with it.

jaylee3

Ransoman wrote: »

Was it though?

If a man presents a ring to a woman and says "Will you marry me?". He is saying, as per the tradition, Will you promise to marry me and accept this as a token of the promise. If the promise is broken NO MATTER who is at fault, the ring should be returned.

If you want to be less emotional about it, replace the word promise with Contract.

He did not say. "I am gifting you this ring... here take it..... can we get married?"

I am not defending any man that cheats. That is not on. But no woman should justify keeping the ring for themselves, either morally, ethically or legally.

Please take the high ground and just return it, if it is any satisfaction to you, if the man has a concious, he will be upset by the return of the ring and it may even hit home his mistake.

What a load of absolute guff ... ! :rotfl: Especially the bits bolded!

You're not the OP's ex by any chance are you? :rotfl:

ska_lover

jaylee3 wrote: »

Yes it would.

What planet are you on?

If something is bought for me, it's mine.

If I choose to sell it after a relationship break up I will.

Sod being labelled a money-grabber by the ill-informed holier-than-thou folk who think that selling your OWN possessions is theft. (PMSL) :rotfl:

It's mine. I will do what I want with it.

hell to the yeah :T

Georgiegirl256

Ransoman wrote: »

Was it though?

If a man presents a ring to a woman and says "Will you marry me?". He is saying, as per the tradition, Will you promise to marry me and accept this as a token of the promise. If the promise is broken NO MATTER who is at fault, the ring should be returned.

If you want to be less emotional about it, replace the word promise with Contract.

He did not say. "I am gifting you this ring... here take it..... can we get married?"

I am not defending any man that cheats. That is not on. But no woman should justify keeping the ring for themselves, either morally, ethically or legally.

Please take the high ground and just return it, if it is any satisfaction to you, if the man has a concious, he will be upset by the return of the ring and it may even hit home his mistake.

I actually agree with this. Why would you want to keep hold of something (either to keep or with a view to sell) that only served as a reminder of what your ex partner had done? Even if you sold it, the item that was bought with the money from selling it would also act as a reminder....well it would to me anyhow.

The thing about it being morally correct in returning it stands even more true if it is a family heirloom for example. IMO, it is morally wrong for any woman to keep hold of a ring that once belonged to say their ex's grandmother for example.

I think it's different once you are married and have been together some time. But for couples who have only been engaged for a short period of time, then I think the ring should be returned. Like I say, I wouldn't want to keep hold of it....it'd probably be chucked right at him! :rotfl:

heartbreak_star

If he bought it, you give it back IMO.

I've always seen engagement rings as a token of a promise.

As it was, the one time I was engaged, I bought my ring. Therefore I kept it

HBS x

hazyjo

So should you give every gift back? Where does it end?

I used to buy a lot of meals. How could my ex give those back?!

So he bought me some jewellery... I sold it. So what. Why does that make me heartless or a bad person? I don't have children to pass anything to. I don't particularly want a ring worth several hundred quid lying around in a drawer, nor would I wear a Cartier 'love' necklace he bought me. That's not particularly nice or respectful to my BF.

I let my ex take thousands out the sale of the house that I could have been extremely spiteful about and insisted was mine (I put a hundred grand or so more in than him - we took out what we put in, but all profit was split 50/50).

Also, he knew I was selling it. He actually took it to sell it (and split the money) and never got round to it, so I took it back to sell (sold after nearly a year in my new house - no longer in touch with him). He sold his wedding ring when we still owned the house together and kept that money which he was going to split and never quite got round to doing so.

Just cos someone doesn't agree with selling it doesn't make that right. I do agree with selling it, so let's beg to differ.

Jx