ESA, DLA and PIP chaos - DWP overturning more than half of it's own decisions on MR..

tomtontom

ps2659 wrote: »

Well said 50Twuncle, I do hope JJ comes back and ignores all the interigation from others that are being so unkind to a poster with such good informative knowledge.


COME ON BACK JJ I am sure many are waiting for more information and comments from you, I am and I found your posts good reading. Come back soon.

I think the questions from amus et al are valid. I do not know if the poster is legitimate or not, but they have not told us anything that is not already in the public arena. Hence it is fair for people to question if a poster that holds themselves out as a DWP (or was it HMCTS?) employee is legitimate. I'm sure a genuine poster will understand that we get more than our fair share of trolls here, so people might be a little weary of unusual newcomers.

obvious

Carl Sagan: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"

PS I really am a Yeoman of the Guard and I DID see the Queen in a mankini.

jga1940

Morglin wrote: »

amus wrote: »

How long ago did you work for them??

If she works for them why is she unable to answer any of my questions about DWP computer systems which I know for a fact she would have to use if she was a DWP employee.

Just because you want something to be true doesn't make it so. I don't doubt there are most probably internal wrangling a going on between the DWP and ATOS, but I'm afraid this poster is most likely trolling.[


Do you work for them then?

I never accept any Info from just one source, but the info she has given has been confirmed from other links.

You have an absolute right to disregard the poster says, and ignore her posts, but unless you can confirm you work for them, and what your info consists of, you aren't really helping the debate much lol

Lin

Hi Lin,

I'm afraid your 'news link' on this issue posted on Benefits & Work has been deleted by one of our WRO's who work from the office. It may have been Steve Donnison the site owner himself.

Moderators like myself can only deal with the forum. All benefits related news in the News Section can only be approved or removed by Steve himself or by Karen or Sangeeta, all qualified WRO's.

As I've stated if JJ returns with answers to simple questions I've asked, I will apologise, as I'm sure Amus would also

Best regards.

Jim

obvious

Morglin wrote: »

Why would she want to or need to?

She has offered information, confirmed on other sources, so why should she want to keep proving anything to you? :think:

Seriously, if you think she's a troll, then ignore her postings - simple.

Lin

Lin, you've said 4 or 5 times that infomation has been confirmed.

Please give a link or any evidence of this confirmation containing information that was not previously in the public domain.

Thanks

Morglin

jga1940 wrote: »

Morglin wrote: »

Hi Lin,

I'm afraid your 'news link' on this issue posted on Benefits & Work has been deleted by one of our WRO's who work from the office. It may have been Steve Donnison the site owner himself.

Moderators like myself can only deal with the forum. All benefits related news in the News Section can only be approved or removed by Steve himself or by Karen or Sangeeta, all qualified WRO's.

As I've stated if JJ returns with answers to simple questions I've asked, I will apologise, as I'm sure Amus would also

Best regards.

Jim

Hi Jim,

No, it wasn't deleted, because it never went on!

I made a suggestion, via that section, which is pre-modded that someone look at it, because what she was saying was linking in with what B&W were saying, along with a couple of newspapers after the report by Judge Martin, (?) about the Tribunals Office being told to be ready for many thousands of appeals, and yet few had occurred. It appeared to be a feasible explanation as to why.

Now, from my own experience, at the DWP, including preparing cases for Tribunals, she sounded genuine, although, as with anything on the net, caution is always advised, and people can be as they choose to be, as we both know.

Now, you have known me long enough to know that I do spend a lot of time, filling out forms etc., as I have for years, and I would never knowingly mislead anyone with benefits.

I try to point people in the right direction at least.

But, to be honest, I really have got to the point of just doing 'real life' stuff, simply because my energy and health lol is getting past this site what with known trolls and endless arguments about everything!

I, actually, have not ever had a problem with the DWP, ATOS or snybody else, so I have no personal agenda with it.

So, I think just the lighter side of forum life is the answer for me, as I am just too busy for this argy bargy, with family and doing the real life claim forms.

I hope you, and anyone else, get the answers you want, and meantimes, regards to you and Pat.;)

Lin

Poppie68

jga1940 wrote: »

Actually, when that decision was made it was it was the Benefits Agency Medical Services (BAMS) who were doing EMP reports. then it was privatised and then SEMA part of the Nestor group took over.

You must have heard of the Gillies case when Mr Gillies appealed a Tribunal of Commissioners decision that quote :

Extracts from an Independent Tribunal Service Guide to the Appointment of Tribunal Chairmen and Members, of July 1996, which covered appointments to disability appeal tribunals, stated, inter alia, that candidates for appointment "should be suitably established in their medical practice and be well-regarded within their professional circles" (paragraph 4.3); and that at interview details of "the nature and extent of any fee-paid or sessional work which the candidate might perform for BAMS or for a private contractor on behalf of BAMS" were to be discovered (paragraph 4.9). The situation of tribunal members who were also BAMS doctors was further covered as follows:

"4.20 There is no reason why a doctor who is acting as an Examining Medical Practitioner (EMP) for the Benefits Agency Medical Services (BAMS) on a part-time basis should not be appointed as a DAT medical member. During interview, however, the Regional or full-time Chairman should satisfy himself that there is no potential conflict of interest between the two roles and should make it clear to the candidate that, if appointed, he would have to exclude himself from sitting on any tribunal hearing the appeal of a person whom he had previously examined in connection with any claim for benefit".

The case went through all the Courts, including the Court of Session in Scotland sitting as an Appeal Court, who decided there was no 'conflict of interest'.It was upheld right through to House of Lords.

I'm not allowed to post links, but you can get the full Court rulings by Googling Gillies case.

Yet, whilst I was sitting as a DLA Tribunal Member, the then President HH Judge Michael Harris wrote to what were then called Legal Members (Chair) now Tribunal Judges & to all Disability Members effectively banning them from doing other work in the areas that they sat on Tribunals.

The reason that IDS refused to move to another Department, and Cameron let him get away with it rather than sacking him is because IDS knows something about Cameron that we don't.

BTW, You never answered my original question which was do you work for the DWP dealing with the issue of tribunal papers ? A simple enough question.

How do we know you are genuine? You could be a troll who has done their homework or even someone that works for Atos or even a goverment spy that gets paid to trawl the net and try to discredit anyone that dares to speak out for the people? As no one on this forum can confirm what you write is from experience or inside knowledge and not gleamed from googling!
JJ has posted believable information and has actually confirmed what alot of people have even written or thought previously, what she has posted makes sense, what you have written just comes across as something from someone who is trying to be clever.

All that said....Please please tell us what it is IDS has on Cameron that is so daming he would allow himself to be blackmailed into leaving a minister in a post that he is clearly not qualified to be in and allow him to carry on devastating lives...It must be something really juciy.
To be really honest when i read that part of your post it struck me as a bully in the primary school playground telling porkies and wanting all the attention on themselves.

kittykat17

Hi Morglin, I think it would be a real shame if you stopped posting on these topics. Yours is a voice of reason and I always find your posts helpful and informative. I've only been posting for a few weeks although I've been a forum member for a few years now and have read loads of your posts. JJ might be a 'troll' but she's not misled anyone on actual facts as far as I can see.


I also don't like all the arguing that seems to be increasing on here at the moment but just try to ignore them or laugh at them now. Some people obviously have too much time on their hands!


I hope you keep posting here but if not will look out for your posts on other topics! Take care. Su

tomtontom

Poppie68 wrote: »

JJ has posted believable information and has actually confirmed what alot of people have even written or thought previously

To be fair she has not confirmed it, she has simply said the same as many other people. This to me is the issue, people are taking her word to be authoritative, when in fact there is nothing to say that she has any more knowledge than the rest of us.

I'm not saying the poster is telling lies, just that people should keep in mind that we don't know that they are a DWP employee or what their interest is in this area.

And yes, I am an eternal cynic

mandi

jennyjenkins111 wrote: »

Right for some reason my account was de registered instead of jennyjenkins it is now jennyjenkins111 amus your user name should be ANUS because that is what you are talking out of, Morglin I am sorry that you are having all the trouble you are because of me, Anus has no right to question anyone, the information I have given on this site is correct, OBVIOUS you also have no right, as you are also a new user, to question what I write on here there is also another poster it starts jg is also in with anus. lets see how long this message will last before I am de registered again, I am fuming that idiots can write what ever they like, and question others. This site is well known for helping people, yet when ever I have suggested this same site to other people they have all refused to use it because of the sarcasm, and very unhelpful people on here I only joined the other day, and I can see why people will not join.

What do you mean by de registered Jenny ?

amus

jennyjenkins111 wrote: »

Right for some reason my account was de registered instead of jennyjenkins it is now jennyjenkins111 amus your user name should be ANUS because that is what you are talking out of, Morglin I am sorry that you are having all the trouble you are because of me, Anus has no right to question anyone, the information I have given on this site is correct, OBVIOUS you also have no right, as you are also a new user, to question what I write on here there is also another poster it starts jg is also in with anus. lets see how long this message will last before I am de registered again, I am fuming that idiots can write what ever they like, and question others. This site is well known for helping people, yet when ever I have suggested this same site to other people they have all refused to use it because of the sarcasm, and very unhelpful people on here I only joined the other day, and I can see why people will not join.

Hahaha always knew that user name would come back to haunt me :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Crawl back under the bridge from whence you came troll. If I had my doubts about whether you were a troll before that ridiculous little rant of yours (in which I note none of the questions put to you were addressed) has quashed them.

Perhaps you aren't the real jennyjenkins, posting style seems a bit off. Can't decide whether that's because you're ranting at having been found out or whether you are actually a different user.