Sharing/conflict resolution at nursery school?

GobbledyGook

Morglin wrote: »

You can question what you like, but as your child gets older, and you get more experience with our education systems, you will learn that nothing much changes lol :whistle:

Unless you are very rich, and can opt out, the system will be what it decides to be.

However, that's ok, because your child will grow to realise not everything in life is a garden of roses!

Lin

I agree with this to an extent, but I do think it's important that people voice their opinions on the things they don't like because sometimes things can be changed.

When the HT at my DD's old school changed he changed a lot of things without any discussion with the parents. Some of them were positive changes, some didn't really make that much difference, but a few were not good and no-one liked them.

One simple example was that he changed the times for the breakfast club, for no apparent reason. His old school ran theirs from 8.30am and he didn't see the need for that one to open at 8.15am. After a month there was a Friend of X school meeting and I brought up the fact that, imo, the breakfast club was now overpriced. Previously the children were having a freshly cooked hot breakfast (it was winter, not a full English or anything, but nicely cooked food) whereas they were now taking 15 minutes to gobble down some cereal or toast. At the meeting it emerged that at least 45 other parents felt the same, but no-one seen the point in saying anything as 'nothing changes'. After a meeting, and realising the scale of opinion, everything was changed back. Same with his decision not to invite parents to Sports Day.

Some things will never change and some people will never change anything because of the way the approach it (still wonder what the man screaming at the HT that his daughter wanted her effin scrambled egg though he was going to achieve except for the ban from school grounds!), but sometimes you can change things and if you can't you can sometimes get a better understanding of why they can't be changed.

So I don't think people should just sit quietly and accept that nothing much changes, because if they do the only certainty is that nothing much ever will.

Person_one

daisiegg wrote: »

I could have sworn you worked in the NHS?? Everyone I know who works for the NHS (and that is quite a lot of family members) say it is one of the worst organisations for 'pointless' box ticking, routines and processes!

I do work in the NHS. Yes there are mountains of paperwork, and a lot of box ticking, but I can see the point of most of it even if I don't completely agree with it.

It would never be acceptable for me to tell a patient, a relative, or a junior member of staff/student "well we just do it that way because/that's just how its done" etc etc. as school staff do with pupils.

Morglin

GobbledyGook wrote: »

I agree with this to an extent, but I do think it's important that people voice their opinions on the things they don't like because sometimes things can be changed.

When the HT at my DD's old school changed he changed a lot of things without any discussion with the parents. Some of them were positive changes, some didn't really make that much difference, but a few were not good and no-one liked them.

One simple example was that he changed the times for the breakfast club, for no apparent reason. His old school ran theirs from 8.30am and he didn't see the need for that one to open at 8.15am. After a month there was a Friend of X school meeting and I brought up the fact that, imo, the breakfast club was now overpriced. Previously the children were having a freshly cooked hot breakfast (it was winter, not a full English or anything, but nicely cooked food) whereas they were now taking 15 minutes to gobble down some cereal or toast. At the meeting it emerged that at least 45 other parents felt the same, but no-one seen the point in saying anything as 'nothing changes'. After a meeting, and realising the scale of opinion, everything was changed back. Same with his decision not to invite parents to Sports Day.

Some things will never change and some people will never change anything because of the way the approach it (still wonder what the man screaming at the HT that his daughter wanted her effin scrambled egg though he was going to achieve except for the ban from school grounds!), but sometimes you can change things and if you can't you can sometimes get a better understanding of why they can't be changed.

So I don't think people should just sit quietly and accept that nothing much changes, because if they do the only certainty is that nothing much ever will.

Well, no, and good luck if you effect change......

Lin

fed_up_and_stressed

shegirl wrote: »

It's ridiculous,isn't it.

Why all the hatred these days and thinking everything is a ploy?

Yes I agree, no need for assuming everything is a "conspiracy" and that everything is a ploy and making wild accusations without proof.

Also I agree with posters saying they have encountered accusations of "this is the way it is .. If you don't like it ..get lost" are correct is it not appropriate at all.

notanewuser

Hurrah!!!! A public consultation on the curriculum in Wales is underway, including RE.

Perhaps the world can change after all.

http://wales.gov.uk/topics/educationandskills/schoolshome/curriculuminwales/curriculum-for-wales/terms-of-reference/?lang=en

Spendless

Certainly schools and education policy can change. My grandmother aged 90 and still with us, is left handed. She had to spend her recreation (breaks, free time) writing with her right hand with her left tied to the chair back behind her. :eek: Whilst it never made a difference despite how many letters my Great Grandmother wrote, to my nans school days, it wasn't happening by the time my left handed neice was being schooled.

I attended a school that still used corporal punishment in the 1970s, now banned.

If no-one ever says anything, then nothing will change. it may not change within your own lifetime though (if at all).

Pleased your happy with the consultation being announced nanu. I asked my own kids about assemblies and a lot of information about school life is given in them such as announcements, or new rules or awards and so on, so I'd always think it was worth my kids attending.

notanewuser

Spendless wrote: »

Certainly schools and education policy can change. My grandmother aged 90 and still with us, is left handed. She had to spend her recreation (breaks, free time) writing with her right hand with her left tied to the chair back behind her. :eek: Whilst it never made a difference despite how many letters my Great Grandmother wrote, to my nans school days, it wasn't happening by the time my left handed neice was being schooled.

I attended a school that still used corporal punishment in the 1970s, now banned.

If no-one ever says anything, then nothing will change. it may not change within your own lifetime though (if at all).

Pleased your happy with the consultation being announced nanu. I asked my own kids about assemblies and a lot of information about school life is given in them such as announcements, or new rules or awards and so on, so I'd always think it was worth my kids attending.

No issue with assemblies for that purpose, or even to encourage mindfulness. Just no need for the sky fairy antics IMO.

(I'm a leftie. We did a school trip to a "Victorian school" with costumes etc and I wasn't allowed to write with my left hand. It was really hard. There's a religious link there, as the Victorians saw anything to the right as good/associated with god ("sitting at the right hand of god", "right hand man" etc) and anything left as being related to the devil.)

notanewuser

So, DD had her hour session at the school nursery this week. All was fine, I stayed out of the teacher's way and the HT actually sought me out to tell me that the RE advisor at the local authority is seemingly unable to separate RE lessons from religious practice within schools (he seemed very frustrated with it). I stressed to the HT that we were planning on leaving DD to take part in everything, in the hope that changes would be made in light of the curriculum review and other news stories (school governors etc).

However, while queuing to pick DD up we were admiring the display of nursery artwork, which was all about bedtime. Lots of paintings of the children's beds, with little printed captions dotted about. "I like stories at bedtime," "I cuddle my teddy bear in bed" etc. oh, and the welsh version of "Gentle Jesus, Meek and Mild". :mad:

So it seems it is leeching into other activities, not just the assemblies, lunchtime and home time prayers!!!

Janepig

I'm guessing the "gentle Jesus" thing is stuff that's been put up as decoration by the teacher or one of the TA's, and I think that it's something that one teacher might do, depending on his/her religious feelings, whereas another teacher wouldn't put anything like that. In which case I really don't think there's much you can do. In a similar way that the PE teacher in DD/DS's school pushes football and cricket as he's got a personal interests in those sports, but they do nothing with rugby. Another PE teacher might push other sports that they've got an interest in.

In a slightly different vein, the local authority that DH works for are looking to cut free transport to faith schools in a bid to cut costs. Of course the parents of children in those schools are up in arms but that discussion has highlighted how such a policy discriminates against children who don't go to faith schools. I for one am glad they're looking to put a stop to it, I just wish the Local Authority I pay my Council Tax to would do the same!!

Jx

notanewuser

https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/end-compulsory-worship-in-schools