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A Yes vote means better jobs for young people in Scotland
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It's not worth arguing the toss over all this again. The polls are clear. Yes once had a lead for one day in the last 2 and a half years. Before and since then they've been behind. 900 days of polling, 1 day of being in the lead.
No polls above 40% every time and occasionally above 50%. Yes has polled above 40% once in 2014 and once in 2013.
If you honestly think that translates into a win for Yes then I suggest that you keep your psephology at a strictly amateur level.0 -
I suggest the DT thread for discussion of voting possibilities.
This would keep this thread job related.
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It's not worth arguing the toss over all this again. The polls are clear. Yes once had a lead for one day in the last 2 and a half years. Before and since then they've been behind. 900 days of polling, 1 day of being in the lead.
No polls above 40% every time and occasionally above 50%. Yes has polled above 40% once in 2014 and once in 2013.
If you honestly think that translates into a win for Yes then I suggest that you keep your psephology at a strictly amateur level.
What is it they say about past performance not being a guarantee on future outcomes?
There is still some time to go and we will find out on Sept 18th.
Think of it like a long distance runner, they don;t like to lead from the front and prefer to time their attack to improve the likelihood of crossing the finishing line at the optimum time.
Since your so up in line with the polls, the last one I heard related to a 6% swing required for the Yes to prevail with 14% undecided.
Doesn't seem a foregone conclusion to me.:wall:
What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
Some men you just can't reach.
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IveSeenTheLight wrote: »Think of it like a long distance runner, they don;t like to lead from the front and prefer to time their attack to improve the likelihood of crossing the finishing line at the optimum time.
Oh for goodness sake, next thing is that you'll be telling us that Salmond, Sturgeon and Swinney have been planning this all along and actually want to be behind at this stage. Then miraculously they'll surge forward in the last few days. Believe me, they'd love to have been in front from the very start, still be in front and stay in front.MumOf4Quit Date: 20th November 2009, 7pm
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Oh for goodness sake, next thing is that you'll be telling us that Salmond, Sturgeon and Swinney have been planning this all along and actually want to be behind at this stage. Then miraculously they'll surge forward in the last few days.
Bang on the money ! Why change a winning formula. ;-)
Don't think Gordon Brown coming out tonight and saying Scottish education should be controlled from Westminster has boosted the No vote much ! This is Better Togethers to lose.. And oh boy..with that sort of commentary.. Lose it they will. I'm not sure £9000 tuition fees per year are all that appealing to young voters...or their parents.
Might throw up a few more jobs though administrating though I suppose ( to keep somewhat on topic ). So a no vote might be better in that sense...:cool:It all seems so stupid it makes me want to give up.
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid ?0 -
IveSeenTheLight wrote: »What is it they say about past performance not being a guarantee on future outcomes?
There is still some time to go and we will find out on Sept 18th.
Think of it like a long distance runner, they don;t like to lead from the front and prefer to time their attack to improve the likelihood of crossing the finishing line at the optimum time.
Since your so up in line with the polls, the last one I heard related to a 6% swing required for the Yes to prevail with 14% undecided.
Doesn't seem a foregone conclusion to me.
Doesn't sound like a change in strategy. Unless the strategy changes then presumably the outcome won't.0 -
Shakethedisease wrote: »Bang on the money ! Why change a winning formula. ;-)
Don't think Gordon Brown coming out tonight and saying Scottish education should be controlled from Westminster has boosted the No vote much ! This is Better Togethers to lose.. And oh boy..with that sort of commentary.. Lose it they will. I'm not sure £9000 tuition fees per year are all that appealing to young voters...or their parents.
Might throw up a few more jobs though administrating though I suppose ( to keep somewhat on topic ). So a no vote might be better in that sense...:cool:
The point is that the formula isn't winning though. Yes has remained consistently behind in the polls and that just isn't changing.
Without a change in strategy, they only real hope for yes is some kind of ridiculous mistake by No which of course you can never discount. It doesn't seem like much of a plan quite honestly.0 -
Shakethedisease wrote: »Bang on the money ! Why change a winning formula. ;-)
Don't think Gordon Brown coming out tonight and saying Scottish education should be controlled from Westminster has boosted the No vote much ! This is Better Togethers to lose.. And oh boy..with that sort of commentary.. Lose it they will. I'm not sure £9000 tuition fees per year are all that appealing to young voters...or their parents.
Might throw up a few more jobs though administrating though I suppose ( to keep somewhat on topic ). So a no vote might be better in that sense...:cool:
I think you'll find it was the results of a survey of young people that Gordon Brown was referring to. A majority of respondents are in favour of harmonising curricula and exams.
Our children and their friends are outward looking and are keen to break down the barriers that currently exist between the two education systems. Three have already been to, or are currently at, English universities and the fourth is likely to follow in two years' time. It was their decision to spread their wings and fly. And we weren't going to hold them back. Good on them.MumOf4Quit Date: 20th November 2009, 7pm
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Oh for goodness sake, next thing is that you'll be telling us that Salmond, Sturgeon and Swinney have been planning this all along and actually want to be behind at this stage. Then miraculously they'll surge forward in the last few days. Believe me, they'd love to have been in front from the very start, still be in front and stay in front.
I get it, your a passionate unionist, that's fine.
Of course, I'm sure the Yes campaign would be happy to be higher in the polls than they are, however that does not mean you give up the race.
They are where they are and there may be a strategy given they have always been behind to make a late surge.:wall:
What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
Some men you just can't reach.
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Doesn't sound like a change in strategy. Unless the strategy changes then presumably the outcome won't.
We can look at the elections of 2011, where the SNP gained a majority in an election where constituencies were supposed to be carved up to stop a majority government forming as an example where you shouldn;t count your chickens before they are hatched.
I'm not predicting a guaranteed 'Yes' outcome, nor am I naive enough to dismiss it as a possibility.
If it's attitudes like yours that's leads to complacency by the No campaign, then it could just be enough for the Yes to prevail:wall:
What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
Some men you just can't reach.
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