Why is my water bill so much (NON METERED)

redrabbit29

Cardew wrote: »

Where do you live?

I live in Bracknell, South East England

Cardew

redrabbit29 wrote: »

I live in Bracknell, South East England

You are probably with water supply with South East Water and for sewerage it is Thames water.

You can look up charges on their websites.

southcoastrgi

mart.vader wrote: »

Well, OP says he's living in a flat. If so, the cold water feed to bathroom and WC's may be from a common tank ( i.e. one that feeds more than one flat) in the loft space, on the roof (or elsewhere).

Water Cos will not allow metering where there is a common tank, because there is no way to work out the water consumption of each individual flat.

So, even if there is enough room to fit a meter "where the water comes into your flat just after the stoptap" ., it doesn't mean that a meter can be actually fitted

So, southcoast, you learn something new everyday !

so is each flat's water bill the same ?
OP said the supply was a shared pipe which is very unlikely if it's a block of flats & the pipe is suppling two or more blocks
even if it is all fed off of one large tank still nothing to stop each flat having their own meter

mart.vader

southcoastrgi wrote: »

so is each flat's water bill the same ? No idea, Why would they be the same ? How is that relevant ?

OP said the supply was a shared pipe which is very unlikely if it's a block of flats No, It's very common, both with blocks of flats and converted properties,

& the pipe is supplying two or more blocks. Who said it was ? Not the OP

even if it is all fed off of one large tank still nothing to stop each flat having their own meter Perhaps you could explain how the W Co would work out the water consumption for each flat ? Would they put one meter on each flat's mains feed, and another meter on each flat's cold water downfeed from the tank to the Bathroom and WC ?

How do they do it on the southcoast ?

southcoastrgi

it's relevant because if it is as you say all fed from one tank then all the water board has to go by is the whole consumtion of the block, therefore everyones bill should be the same,

very unlikely it's a shared pipe between two blocks, the amount of water req for that many dwellings would mean a very large pipe,

if you read the OP's post #10 they said their pipe is boxed in, so as i said previously it can be done but because it involves extra work the water co don't want to do it,

mart.vader

southcoastrgi wrote: »

it's relevant because if it is as you say all fed from one tank then all the water board has to go by is the whole consumption of the block, therefore everyone's bill should be the same, I suppose it's possible for a W Co to impose an overall bill which may then be divided by the number of flats, but it's much, much simpler for the W Co to just say that individual flats cannot be metered (which is the OP's complaint)

Other than the above, each flat's water bill, will not and cannot be the same as they have different consumption. It's very, very usual for each flat to have a mains feed to the kitchen tap, and for the Bathrooms and WCs to be fed from a loft or roof tank

very unlikely it's a shared pipe between two blocks, the amount of water req for that many dwellings would mean a very large pipe, Who said anything about two blocks ? and that happens very frequently. I know of an estate where, I think, six blocks of numerous flats are fed by one pipe.( I think, from memory, it was no more than 3" diameter)

if you read the OP's post #10 they said their pipe is boxed in, so as i said previously it can be done but because it involves extra work the water co don't want to do it,

And as I also said previously , it can't be done where there is a shared common tank, unless the W Co fit two meters per flat. (and they won't do that)

southcoastrgi

Other than the above, each flat's water bill, will not and cannot be the same as they have different consumption. It's very, very usual for each flat to have a mains feed to the kitchen tap, and for the Bathrooms and WCs to be fed from a loft or roof tank

yes i quite agree however you seem to be disagreeing with yourself, if no one has a meter fitted then how do the water co know who consumes what ? therefore the only way they can do it is by giving everyone the same bill (providing they all have the same amount of rooms)

very unlikely it's a shared pipe between two blocks, the amount of water req for that many dwellings would mean a very large pipe, Who said anything about two blocks ? and that happens very frequently. I know of an estate where, I think, six blocks of numerous flats are fed by one pipe.( I think, from memory, it was no more than 3" diameter)

3" is a large water supply pipe

And as I also said previously , it can't be done where there is a shared common tank, unless the W Co fit two meters per flat. (and they won't do that)

I agree that they won't do that, but that doesn't mean they CAN'T do it,

Anyway the OP HASN'T said there is a roof tank it could be a combi & therefore EVERYTHING will be on the main

mart.vader

southcoastrgi wrote: »

yes i quite agree however you seem to be disagreeing with yourself, if no one has a meter fitted then how do the water co know who consumes what ? therefore the only way they can do it is by giving everyone the same bill (providing they all have the same amount of rooms)

[/COLOR]very unlikely it's a shared pipe between two blocks, the amount of water req for that many dwellings would mean a very large pipe, Who said anything about two blocks ? and that happens very frequently. I know of an estate where, I think, six blocks of numerous flats are fed by one pipe.( I think, from memory, it was no more than 3" diameter)

3" is a large water supply pipe

And as I also said previously , it can't be done where there is a shared common tank, unless the W Co fit two meters per flat. (and they won't do that)

I agree that they won't do that, but that doesn't mean they CAN'T do it,

Anyway the OP HASN'T said there is a roof tank it could be a combi & therefore EVERYTHING will be on the main

Look, southcoast, you seem to be losing your way on this.

1. The OP says meter that was fitted has been removed and he has been told he can't have another fitted.

2. You say a meter CAN always be fitted after the stop tap.

3. I say "Not in every case. There are other considerations".

4. You say " really like what ?"

5. I say "Not when there is a common roof or Loft Tank"

6. You disagree.

You have said both "even if it is all fed off of one large tank still nothing to stop each flat having their own meter"
AND
"the only way (the Water Co) can know (who consumes what) is by giving everyone the same bill (providing they all have the same amount of rooms)"

Isn't that a little self-contradictory ? and BTW, water bills have never been based on number of rooms. The point is not that it is ALL fed of one large tank, the point is, SOME of it comes via a mains feed, and SOME of it comes via one common storage tank. That's why the Water Co won't do it.

" 3" is a large water supply pipe" Not really, there are many 100mm and 150mmm ones. If you mean " 3" is a large water main", then maybe it is, where you are, but round here there are NO water mains below 4".

I agree, OP HASNT said there is a roof tank, and it COULD be a combi, and everything COULD be off the mains, however I thought your argument was, that it is always possible to fit a meter. I was saying that it's not possible where there is a common storage tank as that means the only way to do it, is to fit one meter on the mains feed to each flat, and another meter on the cold water down-feed to each flat.

You CAN argue that the Water Co. CAN do it, even though you agree that they WON'T, just as you can argue that Water Cos should measure the water pressure with a tap running: the fact is they simply won't.

southcoastrgi

I've got a headache

mart.vader

southcoastrgi wrote: »

I've got a headache

Good ! ! !