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Mrshaworth2b

topdaddy wrote: »

The earlier post doesnt predate the "offense" taken on somebodys elses behalf. See what im getting at?

Not really, your assuming I haven't seen said interview and think that they are gay on my own assumption.

topdaddy_2

Mrshaworth2b wrote: »

Not really, your assuming I haven't seen said interview and think that they are gay on my own assumption.

Have you seen the interveiw? Had dec/ant? Are they all categorically gay and have previously confirmed this to all inolved?
You dont see what Im getting at do you?

Mrshaworth2b

topdaddy wrote: »

Have you seen the interveiw? Had dec/ant? Are they all categorically gay and have previously confirmed this to all inolved?
You dont see what Im getting at do you?

I completely see what your "getting" at.... However it still doesn't change how I felt when I heard the original comment

As I have said, they would never had said to a "straight" man (assumed or not) "how did your boyfriend/husband like that" so why do it to three men (assumed or actually gay

And I don't believe the acts have to say whether they are gay or straight or anything else, but ant and dec shouldn't say things that are based on sexuality in the first place. Could they not have said "what do your partners think of that?"

Georgiegirl256

So did you make a complaint then?

hazyjo

Blimey, is it that much of an offence to presume someone's gay?!

I think I'm missing something here! We've thought a couple of blokes at work are gay before and some have been 100% straight. Is it THAT big an insult?! I think it's actually reflecting worse on you than Dec - sorry!

You can often tell if someone's gay - nothing offensive about saying that! You don't need to be gay to recognise another gay person. Yeah, sometimes you get it wrong, same as you think someone's straight and they turn out to be gay. As I said... so what? Why's it worse to think a straight man is gay than presume a gay man is straight (until proven otherwise)?

My BF's sister and brother are both very obviously gay (as are their partners). Doesn't take Einstein to work that out - I wouldn't need them to sign a declaration before I dared make that presumption.

Maybe I'm reading too much into it...

Jx

topdaddy_2

Mrshaworth2b wrote: »

I completely see what your "getting" at.... However it still doesn't change how I felt when I heard the original comment

As I have said, they would never had said to a "straight" man (assumed or not) "how did your boyfriend/husband like that" so why do it to three men (assumed or actually gay

And I don't believe the acts have to say whether they are gay or straight or anything else, but ant and dec shouldn't say things that are based on sexuality in the first place. Could they not have said "what do your partners think of that?"

I dont think you do.
IM Getting at the fact that you have taken offense at something that may or may not be relevent(the assumed or otherwise sexuality of the act) and is a genuine question which was not ment to be offensive, which appears not to have offended the receipiant but has offended you for reasons that are not clear

Mrshaworth2b

If I am offended then I am offended. I don't really see why it would bother anyone this much. It's funny!

Soleil_lune

hazyjo wrote: »

Blimey, is it that much of an offence to presume someone's gay?!

I think I'm missing something here! We've thought a couple of blokes at work are gay before and some have been 100% straight. Is it THAT big an insult?! I think it's actually reflecting worse on you than Dec - sorry!

You can often tell if someone's gay - nothing offensive about saying that! You don't need to be gay to recognise another gay person. Yeah, sometimes you get it wrong, same as you think someone's straight and they turn out to be gay. As I said... so what? Why's it worse to think a straight man is gay than presume a gay man is straight (until proven otherwise)?

My BF's sister and brother are both very obviously gay (as are their partners). Doesn't take Einstein to work that out - I wouldn't need them to sign a declaration before I dared make that presumption.

Maybe I'm reading too much into it...

Jx

Dec didn't necessarily assume the French men were gay. It's fairly well known that they are, and he asked them what their wives and girlfriends thought of them. So either Dec was being sarcastic and ironic (and frankly not funny,) OR he has zero gaydar, and hasn't heard about them talking about being gay, and he didn't know they were gay.

Nothing wrong with asking 3 men what their wives and girlfriends think, but if he DID know they were gay, then that was kind of insulting. Would anyone have said to say Sam Bailey who was married with kids 'what does your WIFE think of this?'

So I know people can get offended for nowt, but at the same time, I see (a little) where the OP is coming from.

topdaddy_2

Mrshaworth2b wrote: »

If I am offended then I am offended. I don't really see why it would bother anyone this much. It's funny!

No ones bothered, its the reasoning thats confusing. Its not like we rang ofcom or anything. Did they laugh at you?

unholyangel

Mrshaworth2b wrote: »

I completely see what your "getting" at.... However it still doesn't change how I felt when I heard the original comment

As I have said, they would never had said to a "straight" man (assumed or not) "how did your boyfriend/husband like that" so why do it to three men (assumed or actually gay

And I don't believe the acts have to say whether they are gay or straight or anything else, but ant and dec shouldn't say things that are based on sexuality in the first place. Could they not have said "what do your partners think of that?"

Perhaps the moral of decs comment is that you never can tell - despite what things may seem.

There are men who dress as women and are happily married to women. There are gay men who struggle with their sexuality and marry women/have girlfriends. There are straight effeminate men who are assumed to be gay by others. There are also bisexuals - who may very well be married or have a girlfriend.

The fact is people stereotype/misjudge people al the time.

IMO you take offence to negative things (such as being called a thief, a liar, a bad mother etc). Not things like this.

Don't get me wrong, I've said exactly the same thing to people taking offence if they were mistakenly thought of as gay. I'll also have a few choice words for any homophobes. But I'm sorry, this just isn't something to be offended about.