Arrogant motorcyclists

Retrogamer

I'm not sure about "arrogant bikers" but i often get people pull out in front of me on NSL roads when i'm traveling at an appropriate speed (within the limit), then accelerate very slowly for reasons unknown.
I either have to brake firmly and almost plough into the back of them, or if the road is clear pull out and overtake.
A lot of them flash the lights when i do the latter. It seems as if some motorists are just a bit thick and get offended when you pass them legally after they almost caused an accident.

oldagetraveller

pinkshoes wrote: »

Afraid I wasn't joking about the 150mph... (I always dread knocks on the door when he's out on his bike...)


Love motorbikes, hate the arrogant riders that ruin the reputation of bikers.

Are you contradicting yourself a bit?
You complain about "arrogant riders" and at the same time show concern that your husband is possibly doing 150mph on a motorbike.
Doesn't the fact that he thinks it is fine travelling at over twice the legal speed show his arrogance of the law and any other road users when/if he does that?

pinkshoes

Ok, it FELT like 2 seconds, but was probably nearer 4 or 5.

Like I said, I'm good at judging distance, so know, if it was a vehicle doing 60mph (or perhaps a bit over), I would have had MORE than enough time to pull out and accelerate to 60mph before they got anywhere near me...

He was clearly going very fast, and took no responsibility for his speed.

oldagetraveller wrote: »

Are you contradicting yourself a bit?
You complain about "arrogant riders" and at the same time show concern that your husband is possibly doing 150mph on a motorbike.
Doesn't the fact that he thinks it is fine travelling at over twice the legal speed show his arrogance of the law and any other road users when/if he does that?

DH knows he goes too fast, so would never gesticulate rudely at a driver for pulling out in front of him, when he knows he's going too fast and has to allow for cars pulling out and slow down near junctions.

And he is not daft enough to do 150 mph when there's a junction approaching. He would only do that sort of speed on a straight with no junctions.

Think car. Think bike. Think both.

Retrogamer

And when you seen the bike approaching at speed and pulled out in front of it, did you floor it to get up to the speed limit as quickly as possible, or did you accelerate gradually?

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pinkshoes wrote: »

...DH knows he goes too fast...And he is not daft enough to do 150 mph when there's a junction approaching. He would only do that sort of speed on a straight with no ...

Do you know how far you travel in one minute at 150 miles an hour? It is too fast to make any sensible judgments about junctions, bends, road conditions etc. I know as i have done 135 mph, and no I was not breaking the law as I was on an unrestricted autobahn in Germany. The bike vibrates, the wind noise and power also makes your vision wobbly too. One minute you are on your own and then next you are screaming up to the traffic in front of you.

Does your husband know that at those speeds he may be given a prison sentence and that he will lose both his bike and car licence?

I suspect that the biker wasn't arrogant, but that he just felt you pulled out too close and was annoyed.

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However I don't beleive they should be allowed to filter through traffic


Is perfectly legal and part of the reason I have a motorbike, to beat traffic so long as it is done sensibly...

Buellguy wrote: »

My bits in red

It is not legal, or illegal. It is one of those grey areas. The highway code says you should not overtake in queuing traffic. If there is a accident then the one doing the filtering is usually seen as the one to blame.

Added after edited. This info was told to me by a police biker.

Buellguy

Spider_In_The_Bath wrote: »

However I don't beleive they should be allowed to filter through traffic


Is perfectly legal and part of the reason I have a motorbike, to beat traffic so long as it is done sensibly...


It is not legal, or illegal. It is one of those grey areas. The highway code says you should not overtake in queuing traffic.


Filtering - How it differs from an 'Overtake'.

Contrary to the belief of some motorists, filtering is entirely legal in the UK, providing that it is done safely. Once traffic speeds are high enough to suggest that the traffic is no longer queuing, your manoeuvre may then be regarded as a dangerous overtake.

Where is it illegal to filter?

As with any manoeuvre, you must not cause danger or force other vehicles to alter course or speed. Typically it’s not a matter of where, but when. There are a few situations where it would be illegal to filter. Two that spring to mind is passing queuing traffic in a no overtaking zone (e.g. solid white lines or after a no overtaking sign) or on the approach to a crossing, with zigzags.

If the road you are on is split by a solid white line, it's still legal providing you follow the rules set out above and you DO NOT CROSS THE SOLID WHITE LINE! If you can safely pass (filter) on your side of the road, this is fine.



If there is a accident then the one doing the filtering is usually seen as the one to blame.

Added after edited. This info was told to me by a police biker.

Not quite, case by case basis, and totally contrary to that told to me by an advanced police motorcyclist on the Bikesafe course


http://www.lindermyers.co.uk/narpo/filtering-on-a-motorcycle_2032.html


NARPO (national Association of Retired Police Officers)

Buellguy

Oh, and have a read of this POLICE forum


http://www.policespecials.com/forum/index.php/topic/127575-motorcycles-filtering/

powerful_Rogue

Nicklt wrote: »

I understand it is legal to filter through traffic I just feel it causes more of a hazard on the road.

Due to the speed he was going at, no I hadn't seen him. I would not purposely stop a motorcyslists overtaking in traffic as that is just petty. The way he reacted implied he did it on purpose. He would of seen me moving forward so she should have judged it not be safe to try and force his way into such a small gap.

I have no issue with motorcycles, it's just the odd arrogant ones. Many a time has a motorcyclist untook me.

There is deffinately an us and them culture between car driver and motorcyclists (and bicycles) and they are both as bad as each other. If you get annoyed by a person going slow on a bicycle you are obviously incredibly impatient or not a very confident driver.

Mirrors.....

aileth

We almost took out an L-plate motorcyclist this morning for a very bad example of filtering. Sat at red lights, they go green, we are literally just pulling off at maybe 3-4 mph and he comes speeding down the middle, at least 20 mph if not 30, clips the car next to us' wing mirror, skids on the wet and swerves into our lane, misses us by an inch or two, and then continues speeding off, almost going through red at the next set of lights.

When filtering is done properly by a skilled motorcyclist, all power to them, it gets them past all the traffic and eases congestion. When done wrong however, the consequences can be dreadful.