Pub - Noise Pollution

Buellguy

chippy2u wrote: »

So, let me get this right. You moved to a house near a pub, you probably bought the house cheaply because the previous owners, who were fed up with the noise, moved out, and now you want the pub to stop its entertainment and probably lose all its customers and close down.
Reminds me of when I lived in a small Devon town which had a 900 year old church with a clock that chimed the hours. For 900 years nobody complained about the chimes until some 'incomers' moved in and petitioned the council to have the chimes stopped because it disturbed their sleep! Luckily, common sense prevailed and they were basicaly told to live with it or move! I now live in Torquay and it's surprising how many people move here and complain about the noise the seagulls make!!!

There is a bit of difference between moving into somewhere, to give your example, where churchbells are chiming and have been for 900 years (at which point I have NO sympathy for the complainers!!) and moving into somewhere where, by all accounts (and according to the council as well) someone is breaking the law/licencing conditions.


I didn't think they would be encouraging their customers to break the law by drinking outside (they take bar stools and tables out the front, and put them in the road) and then turning the music up so they could hear it.

But again, surely it doesn't matter - if the pub is making excessive noise, they are making excessive noise. My argument here isn't that they are making the noise, I'm asking how/if I can take it higher - since the council have acknowledged the noise pollution but are doing nothing about it.


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ThumbRemote

chippy2u wrote: »

So, let me get this right. You moved to a house near a pub, you probably bought the house cheaply because the previous owners, who were fed up with the noise, moved out, and now you want the pub to stop its entertainment and probably lose all its customers and close down.
Reminds me of when I lived in a small Devon town which had a 900 year old church with a clock that chimed the hours. For 900 years nobody complained about the chimes until some 'incomers' moved in and petitioned the council to have the chimes stopped because it disturbed their sleep! Luckily, common sense prevailed and they were basicaly told to live with it or move! I now live in Torquay and it's surprising how many people move here and complain about the noise the seagulls make!!!

So let me get this straight: it's OK for a business to break the law, as long as they started doing so before a nearby resident moved in?


Would it therefore be OK for me to fly-tip all my litter straight over the fence into my neighbours garden? After all, the garden had litter in when they bought the house.

chippy2u

I am not entirely unsympathetic about the noise as I also live about 100 yards from a pub which is not even in the same road and I can hear the music in my flat on a fri/sat night. I must admit that the music does stop about midnight. Just need to stop the bl**dy seagulls screaching 24/7 Lol.

chippy2u

Who mentioned fly-tipping? As usual this thread will go off topic and develop into an argument about global warming or some other nonsense!

AnnieO1234

ThumbRemote wrote: »

So let me get this straight: it's OK for a business to break the law, as long as they started doing so before a nearby resident moved in?


Would it therefore be OK for me to fly-tip all my litter straight over the fence into my neighbours garden? After all, the garden had litter in when they bought the house.

I think you'll find the issue here is that noise levels are subjective to some degree. It could be that the pub is entirely complying with their license and the music is below whatever the legal decibel level is and yet OP is still complaining. It could also be that the pub is in breach of their license.


Trying to confuse matters with something like flytipping which is illegal full stop is not going to help the OP.

chippy2u

AnnieO1234 wrote: »

Trying to confuse matters with something like flytipping which is illegal full stop is not going to help the OP.

Hear! Hear!

Azari

chippy2u wrote: »

Who mentioned fly-tipping? As usual this thread will go off topic and develop into an argument about global warming or some other nonsense!

He's making a perfectly reasonable point and it's only people repeating 'fly tipping' out of context who are derailing the thread.

The attitudes 'it's been going on for years' or 'everybody does it' (so it doesn't matter/so you shouldn't complain) are far too prevalent in society today.

It's perfectly reasonable to have a law that limits the amount of noise a business can make and it's perfectly reasonable to expect that law to be enforced when it is being flouted.

What is unreasonable is to expect someone to camp out night after night with an audiometer to check that no one is breaking the law - which is a fool's errand, anyway, as things can change very quickly.

Azari

AnnieO1234 wrote: »

Trying to confuse matters with something like flytipping which is illegal full stop is not going to help the OP.

Only if people are too animal stupid to understand an analogy. :rotfl:

The whole point of TR's analogy was to demonstrate that spurious excuses are just that: spurious.

Bantex_2

Why not just move to somewhere more suitable?

ThumbRemote

chippy2u wrote: »

Who mentioned fly-tipping? As usual this thread will go off topic and develop into an argument about global warming or some other nonsense!

You've ignored my main point: "So let me get this straight: it's OK for a business to break the law, as long as they started doing so before a nearby resident moved in?"