Pub - Noise Pollution

ManAtHome

noiselessneighbour wrote: »

I popped by every Friday and Saturday night for the 3 or 4 weeks

Wouldn't make a lot of difference - as I'm sure you're aware from playing, a quiet pub can easily turn into a noisy one.

I'd advise you to contact your local councillor - they're usually pretty good at putting a rocket under the jobsworths (tip - get in before Thursday...). And as Buellguy said, get some neighbours on-side.

keyser666

noiselessneighbour wrote: »

With all due respect, I don't think my decision to move here has much to do with it. As I said in the OP I expected some noise, but I know for a fact that these levels are unacceptable. The bass vibrates the foundations of the house, shaking the crockery for gods sake!

It has alot to do with it. When I move I go to the area at all days and times upto midnight to see what it is like, I am sure the pub are well aware of their licence terms and if the council have visited and no abatement order is in place all is as it should be.

Oh and please dont call the old bill and waste their time.

noiselessneighbour

As I said before, we were about to have a baby so had a little more to do with our time than hang around street corners for hours on end waiting to see if a pub that wasn't playing any music was going to start playing music. I probably passed the pub 30 times and there was nothing that would indicate it was going to be anywhere near like the levels it's been.

The officer has been round to the pub once and issued a verbal warning, and told to take steps or prevent noise leaking but this was over 12 months ago. They wouldn't have had a warning if everything was 'all as it should be'

pimento

noiselessneighbour wrote: »

With all due respect, I don't think my decision to move here has much to do with it. As I said in the OP I expected some noise, but I know for a fact that these levels are unacceptable. The bass vibrates the foundations of the house, shaking the crockery for gods sake!

I might have made a couple of prior night time visits were I thinking of moving in close to a pub.

noiselessneighbour

pimento wrote: »

I might have made a couple of prior night time visits were I thinking of moving in close to a pub.

As above, I made numerous. But it's not my ability to gauge the potential noise levels of a pub that are in question here, it's the ability of the council to adequately respond to a huge number of complaints

pmduk

keyser666 wrote: »

Oh and please dont call the old bill and waste their time.

Actually the police may well be very interested in outdoor drinking. It's illegal in many areas and if the pub are encouraging it, they're risking their licence.

ayayay

If you search the council website there should be a copy of the licence with the conditions they have to stick to eg having a noise limiter, closing doors etc. keep a record of what they have breached and write to the council or speak to the councillor.

Jsameds

I moved in literally next door to a pub a few years ago and since I was the one moving there I understood it would be noisy from time to time.

Except it was more than that. I fully expected noise when the pub was licensed to be open (Which at the time was until 11pm), which I could have dealt with - but it carried on after hours, almost every single night for months, mostly until 2am but sometimes reaching 3, with blaringly loud (and not very well performed) Karaoke.

I went in and complained politely (I just asked them to turn it down a little since it's after 12) but I just got thrown out. They were also all smoking in there despite this being after the ban).

It carried on and on, eventually I got to the end of my tether with it and contacted environmental health, who then installed a noise monitor in my house. Somehow the pub found out and I started receiving death threats, shouted over their Karaoke PA system which was on the other immediate side of the wall - this was also on every night playing the same 50 tracks (I now despise the song "Rhinestone Cowboy"). It was so loud it shook our radiators and cutlery. Really.

Anyway the EH department reviewed the recordings and deemed it too loud, and the pub had the licence stripped and they closed down. If they had just stuck to their legal licensing hours it wouldn't have been a problem in the first place, but they just took it too far beyond that.


A year later and the pub re-opened with new owners, who are one of the kindest, most polite landlords I have met. The pub was also refurbished and is now a thousand times nicer (Trust me it was a dive previously!) and has now started to win CAMRA awards and such. The clientele are also a much nicer bunch too so I'm very happy, mainly because they stick to their hours and are all a very respectful bunch.

Glad it worked out in the end, good luck with your struggle!

AnnieO1234

You need to get onto licensing, find out when the licence is renewed and object at that time or object now to the licensing committee.

Find out if they have the correct music licence. Iirc there are various types from musac type background music, through to DJs and then live bands.

Also find out what the conditions are of their current license.

If people are drinking on the street and/or other anti-social behaviour contact the police.

All that said I do echo what PPs have said, why on earth did you move there? It sounds like you saw the pub and didn't bother to do any due diligence by visiting at various times or worse you thought you'd buy anyway and then argue the case afterwards.

We had a cricket pavilion that backed onto our rear gardens, most of the residents had lived there for many, many decades. They tried to host public nights with bbqs, DJs etc to the point where about ten years ago they tried to do it every weekend, admittedly to raise money for the club. I do recall one of their main arguments was "well people have only just moved in" - this applied to about 3 or 4 houses who were represented at the 40 strong meeting with the license committee. They were soon shot down.

In respect of doors, you may find that the council forces them to install double doors as if they are only single skin then even with the door close restriction it doesn't abate the noise when people are going in and out.

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chippy2u

So, let me get this right. You moved to a house near a pub, you probably bought the house cheaply because the previous owners, who were fed up with the noise, moved out, and now you want the pub to stop its entertainment and probably lose all its customers and close down.
Reminds me of when I lived in a small Devon town which had a 900 year old church with a clock that chimed the hours. For 900 years nobody complained about the chimes until some 'incomers' moved in and petitioned the council to have the chimes stopped because it disturbed their sleep! Luckily, common sense prevailed and they were basicaly told to live with it or move! I now live in Torquay and it's surprising how many people move here and complain about the noise the seagulls make!!!