daily signing at jobcentre

donnajunkie

gettingready wrote: »

Anyway - back to original topic.

IMO - profesionally unemployed, people with no qualifications, experience, work history - sign on every day, force to do something every single day, 5 days per week.

what is gained from it? can you justify the extra cost?

Denning.

donnajunkie wrote: »

what is gained from it? can you justify the extra cost?

Fairness...

donnajunkie

Denning. wrote: »

Fairness...

can you expand on that?

Mr_Falling_Star

donnajunkie wrote: »

can you expand on that?

I can. It is social justice. People of all stripes have to go out to work to make money, often to jobs which they dislike. Why should the long term unemployed not in a similar effort for the money they receive?

mattcanary

gettingready wrote: »

So... let me summarise.

A working person SHOULD - pay taxes, NI AND put money away for a rainy day.

A non working person needs to do NONE of the above.


And that is how things should be?

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

@mattcanary - not even going to reply to yur nonsense...seriously..stay in your bubble.

Obviously, a non-working person cannot afford to save money whilst in that position (unless they have other sources of income, eg: property).


Most people are not permanently non working. When they are in work, they would be wise to try and save something for a rainy day.


Did you not think that when you were earning £40 000 per annum before losing your job?
And you talk of the undeserving unemployed. Pot calling kettle black


Not really that difficult to grasp

mattcanary

gettingready wrote: »

Anyway - back to original topic.

IMO - profesionally unemployed, people with no qualifications, experience, work history - sign on every day, force to do something every single day, 5 days per week.

How do you decide who are "professionally unemployed" (laughable expression by the way)?


Who decides who is deserving unemployed, and who is non-deserving employed?
It would be pretty scary if it was up to you to decide.....
You're only concerned with yourself.


I would think that most unemployed people do something 5 days in the week in order to try and find work anyway. Are you saying that you didn't, when you was out of work? - that is only the undeserving that should be subjected to daily sign-ons in order to prove this and that you should not have been subjected to them.


Do you realise how much daily sign-ons would cost to administer? They wouldn't be cheap, even if they were just consigned to the "undeserving".


I thought the government were trying to cut back on expenditure.


I do believe that more should be done to help people back into work, but what exactly are the point of daily sign-ons?


Half the advisers don't even look at my workplan booklet when I sign on each fortnight anyway. Why would it be any different for people that are forced to sign on each day?

Mr_Falling_Star

mattcanary wrote: »

How do you decide who are "professionally unemployed" (laughable expression by the way)?


Who decides who is deserving unemployed, and who is non-deserving employed?
It would be pretty scary if it was up to you to decide.....
You're only concerned with yourself.


I would think that most unemployed people do something every day of the week in order to try and find work anyway. Are you saying that you didn't, when you was out of work? - that is only the undeserving that should be subjected to daily sign-ons and that you should not have been subjected to it?


Hmm

3 years signing on ( one year of signing on and two years of the Work programme) is plenty time to find employment. Anybody signing after this date, unless vulnerable I would classify as professionally unemployed.

mattcanary

Mr_Falling_Star wrote: »

I can. It is social justice. People of all stripes have to go out to work to make money, often to jobs which they dislike. Why should the long term unemployed not in a similar effort for the money they receive?

Hardly helpful when going to interviews, training courses, etc if you have to sign on each day is it?
The Jobcentre are not exactly easy to contact, and they are not flexible in changing appointment times.


This is am even bigger problem if it takes you an hour or more to get to the Jobcentre by public transport.


So how is it exactly helping people to find work?




I really do think some people have no more sense than they were born with.

trollopscarletwoman

mattcanary wrote: »

Hardly helpful when going to interviews, training courses, etc if you have to sign on each day is it?
The Jobcentre are not exactly easy to contact, and they are not flexible in changing appointment times.


This is am even bigger problem if it takes you an hour or more to get to the Jobcentre by public transport.


So how is it exactly helping people to find work?




I really do think some people have no more sense than they were born with.

That's the whole idea.

Its works on the false assumption that many of the long term unemployed are working on the side. Shame that government does very little about employers who cheat the system using such labour but that's to be expected.

It also makes the system so complicated that sanctioning becomes even easier. That's also part of the plan.

I hope the right bileists are happy with their blow up Esther Mcvey or IDS dolls.

mattcanary

trollopscarletwoman wrote: »

That's the whole idea.

Its works on the false assumption that many of the long term unemployed are working on the side. Shame that government does very little about employers who cheat the system using such labour but that's to be expected.

It also makes the system so complicated that sanctioning becomes even easier. That's also part of the plan.

I hope the right bileists are happy with their blow up Esther Mcvey or IDS dolls.

Even I have no sympathy for people that commit benefit fraud.


But they are not the people that other posters have been talking about.