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The reason the benefits system is failing is because successive governments no longer admit to the reality that they purposefully avoid full employment.
Full employment results in job mobility and job mobility results in competition and, ultimately, the result is having to increase wages.

The ultimate end of this farce is that you end up with a lot of workers who resent having little money and they have to be tricked into blaming the unemployed.
What saddens me is how easily people fall for the trick.

I actually don't care too much about the unemployed. There's a lot of them and there's not a lot of jobs for them.
I'm far more offended that the government spends millions trying to fit millions of people into thousands of jobs. Just leave them to it.
The ones that want and deserve work will find it, as has *always* been the case, and the rest will remain redundant until more jobs materialise.
(Apart from the fact full-employment will never again be permitted.)

lakes17

donnajunkie wrote: »

i cant see how a sanction for missing an appointment you didnt know about can stand. whenever they give me a letter they get me to sign a copy for them to say i got it.

The same also applies to me, whenever they make an appointment which is different to my signing on day then I have to sign a copy to say that I've received it!

lakes17

Wozzie wrote: »

If you've been working for 40 years and paying into the system you should be able to get contribution based JSA, unless you've been unemployed longer than 28 weeks and it's run out. Contribution based JSA is there to help out people who have paid into the system.

Income based is there to ensure minimum standards of living which you wouldn't meet because it's calculated based on household. Your lights and gas aren't going to go off because you didn't get JSA.

As for housing I understand it's a !!!!!! situation but could you imagine if the government started paying peoples mortgages after bailing out the banks to prevent house prices crashing through the floor? I'm waiting and praying for a collapse in the housing market to undo the last 25 years of insanity, but instead I got tax increases, benefit cuts and a recession to keep house prices astronomically high and keep this train plowing head first on into the next major financial crash.

So I'm sorry but you're going to have to forgive me if I come across as somewhat flippant to the plight of homeowners.

Rental accommodation isn't an asset, owning your own home is. In many ways it's better than substantial savings because savings just are where as property increases in value and can generate you an income whilst it's doing so.

You're free to rent out a room, rent out the entire house and move to a bedsit whilst you weather the strom or... hell, whatever you want.

Welfare is meant to cover peoples needs not peoples wants. If you live on your own in rented accommodation and don't have an income you need to eat, you need power and you need to be able to keep a roof over your head and that's what JSA and housing benefit is for.

If you're not on your own and someone can provide for the household you don't need JSA to provide all the things that JSA is meant to provide for, you may not want to have someone else pick up the slack but maintaining personal pride is not within the DWPs purview.

You may not want to utilise your property to see you through this rough patch but you have that option and welfare is meant to be for people who don't have options.

That said the way benefits are structured isn't suitable for modern society, it's still stuck in this 1950s "get on your bike" model where the focus is all about finding a job when it should be about generating an income.

For instance I can work freelance but you can't just jump into that and expect to be successful you have to build and that takes time. I can't start doing that because if I do my benefits will be cut off, so I need to work for someone else before I can work for myself where as if I was allowed to just work and have my earnings deducted from my benefits I'd probably be close to signing off by now.

That's what I hate about the Conservatives. There are parts of the Tory "philosophy" that actually appeal to me.

I don't like the whole self-centered "why should I pay for somebody elses healthcare" angle, I don't like the way they generally put ideaology above pragmatism and destroy public infrastructure just because they believe the private sector can handle everything and I don't like how they preach about small government interfering with peoples lives and they try to legislate based on their own subjective morality.

What I do like however is the idea that people should be free to become self sufficient, that if you have talent or an idea and are prepared to work the government shouldn't hinder you they should help where they can but at the very least they should leave you alone.

Yet I don't see any policies being enacted to enable that, and you ask the job centre about your options suddenly you're under investigation.

Yet another patronising lengthy sermon!! which is now all academic because I found out yesterday that I have been offered a job. So several months of applying for more than 50 jobs a day (most of which were speculative) has finally paid of. It's not a job I would have preferred but it is still a job as people who are out of work don't have the luxury to be choosy on what jobs they want and don't want. That comes once they're back in the workforce!! And judging by your various posts on here that is a bit of advice you could do with acting on!!

BillJones

lakes17 wrote: »

Yet another lengthy sermon!! which is now all academic because I found out yesterday that I have been offered a job. So several months of applying for more than 50 jobs a day (most of which were speculative) has finally paid of. It's not a job I would have preferred but it is still a job as people who are out of work don't have the luxury to be choosy on what jobs they want and don't want. That comes once they're back in the workforce!! And judging by your various posts on here that is a bit of advice you could do with acting on!!

Well done. I hope that it works out well, and eventually leads to something that you'll enjoy.

dandelionclock30

Lakes 17, I think you need to go to the CAB to make sure that you are not entitled to income based JSA. Its not for your son to support you, hes not your partner.Its worth checking out properly, dont rely on this board.

lakes17

dandelionclock30 wrote: »

Lakes 17, I think you need to go to the CAB to make sure that you are not entitled to income based JSA. Its not for your son to support you, hes not your partner.Its worth checking out properly, dont rely on this board.

Thanks for your advice dandelionclock30 it's much appreciated. As you have probably since gathered I was offered a job yesterday otherwise I would have taken you up on your advice and visited CAB to see if anything could've been done.

koiboy

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