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  • lakes17
    lakes17 Posts: 283 Forumite
    BigBoss wrote: »
    When I was unemployed, I had an internship. This internship eventually helped me to secure a real career.

    Had I told the JCP/DWP about this internship, I would have lost my benefits.

    Under this new rule I wouldn't have been able to do my internship.

    The rules MUST change for graduates or people who can prove that their time is being used meaningfully i.e. with a letter from an internship provider or something. They are ill-thought out.
    The purpose of JSA is to help people search for any job (including minimum wage) not to provide an income whilst people are doing an internship to better themselves!!! Once of JSA then you can do whatever you want as far as internment.
  • Podge52
    Podge52 Posts: 1,913 Forumite
    I would call it fraud if you were deceiving the jobcenter to claim a benefit you were not entitled to.

    I'm not saying you were wrong though, you were doing what had to be done.
  • Wozzie
    Wozzie Posts: 41 Forumite
    lakes17 wrote: »

    A lot of people who are on job seekers allowance actually get a lot more than the £70 per week when you add on the rent, council tax and free dentist/prescriptions on it comes to a few hundred pound a week. And before you get on your high horse about me being alright as I'm in work and receiving a proper wage etc, I am also out of work but not receiving a penny from the government.

    If anyone is on a high horse it certainly isn't me.

    Costs of rent and council tax aren't an employment issue.

    Rent is stupidly high because we sold off our social housing stocks, didn't replace them and have done everything we can to prop up the housing market keeping prices high which is what council tax is based on. That's an issue to be resolved regadless of your employment status, rent rising twice as fast as wages tells me that demand for housing and jobs is far out stripping supply.

    You fix one or both of those issues and the welfare bill will drop substantially.

    As for your circumstance I don't want to cause you offence but you've either got substantial savings or you're an idiot.

    If you have substantial savings you wouldn't be able to claim benefits anyway so it's hardly a badge of honour, if you're eligable and you've just decided not to sign because of some notion that it makes you worth less as a human being that hubris is going to make you feel pretty stupid when you're on the streets.

    lakes17 wrote: »
    The purpose of JSA is to help people search for any job (including minimum wage) not to provide an income whilst people are doing an internship to better themselves!!! Once of JSA then you can do whatever you want as far as internment.

    So you getting off your !!!! and doing something to better your situation and circumstances in the long term to get off JSA isn't an intended use, right.

    I take it then you're vehemently against so called training providers like A4E being paid millions of pounds in government contracts to babysit benefit claiments for any period of time up to a year (I think), and work programmes where benefit claiments are forced to work for nothing?
  • donnajunkie
    donnajunkie Posts: 32,412 Forumite
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    lakes17 wrote: »
    They make you feel as though you've earned your JSA just because of the crap they make you go through and let's put this into perspective JSA is only £70 a week, so all these comments about "I have to go to work everyday blah blah" don't really apply because you're getting a proper wage.


    A lot of people who are on job seekers allowance actually get a lot more than the £70 per week when you add on the rent, council tax and free dentist/prescriptions on it comes to a few hundred pound a week. And before you get on your high horse about me being alright as I'm in work and receiving a proper wage etc, I am also out of work but not receiving a penny from the government.
    those other benefits arent out of work benefits. they also dont always add upto hundreds pounds like some of you seem to think. so still not a wage for a large percentage of people even if you include them which you cant.
  • donnajunkie
    donnajunkie Posts: 32,412 Forumite
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    BigBoss wrote: »
    When I was unemployed, I had an internship. This internship eventually helped me to secure a real career.

    Had I told the JCP/DWP about this internship, I would have lost my benefits.

    Under this new rule I wouldn't have been able to do my internship.

    The rules MUST change for graduates or people who can prove that their time is being used meaningfully i.e. with a letter from an internship provider or something. They are ill-thought out.
    ooh, naughty benefit fraudster. ;)
  • donnajunkie
    donnajunkie Posts: 32,412 Forumite
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    lakes17 wrote: »
    The purpose of JSA is to help people search for any job (including minimum wage) not to provide an income whilst people are doing an internship to better themselves!!! Once of JSA then you can do whatever you want as far as internment.
    lets see do workfare all week that leads knowhere and thats great but do what they did and get a job out of it and you slag them off.
  • donnajunkie
    donnajunkie Posts: 32,412 Forumite
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    Podge52 wrote: »
    I would call it fraud if you were deceiving the jobcenter to claim a benefit you were not entitled to.

    I'm not saying you were wrong though, you were doing what had to be done.
    yes it was fraud but we are able to use our brains to form a fair judgement on what they did. i notice its beyond the benefit bashers, what a shock.
  • duchy
    duchy Posts: 19,511 Forumite
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    edited 19 May 2014 at 4:35PM
    BigBoss wrote: »
    Fraudulent? I'd be careful how I use such terms if I were you. You clearly have no idea what fraud is.

    I was working an UNPAID internship in a career path I wanted rather than go and take some bum-!!! administrative role as they wanted me to.

    If I'd told them I was doing an internship, they wouldn't have given me the JSA that I needed to live, such is the retardation of the JSA mindset. They would rather I cleaned toilets than pursued a real career path.

    It doesn't matter how you dress it up.
    There is no "new rule"
    The clue is in the name it's a job seeking benefit.
    Bit of a daft risk to take if you were hoping for a career where a fraud conviction would give you problems tho.

    No-one says the system is perfect but you were definitely committing fraud and no decent barrister would have let you stand up in court and say it wasn't to defend yourself.

    You are probably one of the reasons daily signing was introduced ironically.

    If graduates aren't pro-active enough to find vacation internships in the three years they are studying to make them employable that's no reason why the rest of us should be paying whilst you make up the deficit after graduation. "Something should be done for graduates" indeed. Certain universities need to make sure they are equipping their graduates for employment (some are great at this , others not so much)

    Incidently how did you manage to sign on fortnightly? Was your employer in on the scam too ?
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  • dandelionclock30
    dandelionclock30 Posts: 3,235 Forumite
    You wouldnt get a fraud conviction for that ^, you dont know what you are talking about.
  • Bilbo2010
    Bilbo2010 Posts: 14 Forumite
    The Jobcentre is suppose to be there to help people back into work, not police the benefits system. Somewhere down the road, the seem to have forgotten the concept.
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