"it is an offence to remove..." is that true?

spencer999

I am very grateful. I have a thread on honestjohn.co.uk too under the username bananastand. That site is full of know it alls who delight in reminding you that you shouldn't have broken the rules.

James_N

spencer999 wrote: »

I am very grateful. I have a thread on honestjohn.co.uk too under the username bananastand. That site is full of know it alls who delight in reminding you that you shouldn't have broken the rules.

I don't know the forum you mention but THIS forum is full of some special people who will help you especially if you show sense, read up stuff yourself and take advice. Better qualified to advise than me, but in brief:
1. Make a fuss in person by all means but don't expect it to resolve things. It MAY be worthwhile following up your fuss with a letter to the store & landowner. This may nip it all in the bud.
2. Take no notice of silly things like "Do not Remove this". Technically bo**ocks, but complaining will get you nowhere.
3. Wait for the Notice to Keeper.
4 Appeal to them, not on grounds of unreasonable ticketing but on grounds like no right to issue invoices, unreasonable charge, poor signs, etc. Ask for a POPLA code.
Do not bother to mention mitigation.
5. When they decline your appeal, as they most probably will, then move with an appeal along the same lines to POPLA with your code.
6 Keep to the time limits.
7. Ask for help from here if you need confirmation.

Umkomaas

spencer999 wrote: »

I am very grateful. I have a thread on honestjohn.co.uk too under the username bananastand. That site is full of know it alls who delight in reminding you that you shouldn't have broken the rules.

You get the odd one on here, but they normally get short shrift from the regulars. Although the regulars will not condone deliberately avoiding paying for parking at a pay-for-parking facility and we will give lazy parkers, who think it's their right to put their car in a disabled space so as to save their waist line shrinking a piece of our minds, we don't lose sight of the fact that this is a money saving site, and we will always help.

Polmop

My father has just got a £100 ticket from them reduced to £60 if paid in 14 days, he was parked for less than 2 hours but the warden saw him walk off the range and over the road.

James_N

Polmop wrote: »

My father has just got a £100 ticket from them reduced to £60 if paid in 14 days, he was parked for less than 2 hours but the warden saw him walk off the range and over the road.

It's almost essential if you want help to start your own "thread" or discussion rather than add to an existing discussion.

James_N

spencer999 wrote: »

I am very grateful. I have a thread on honestjohn.co.uk too under the username bananastand. That site is full of know it alls who delight in reminding you that you shouldn't have broken the rules.

I have often noticed that regulars on here complain about CAB and their "wonky" understanding of Private Parking Invoices.
Now there is another forum to be wary of - Honest John. As Spencer reports, he's received vindictive and rather stupid rants to his request for help on there regarding his parking problem - with one particular poster by the name of skidpan with more time than sense indulging in particularly vituperative ranting about legality and moral rights.

It goes to show that the truth is not yet universally "Out" there. Even my union at work cannot be persuaded that the parking company employed there do not issue "fines".

waamo

Polmop wrote: »

My father has just got a £100 ticket from them reduced to £60 if paid in 14 days, he was parked for less than 2 hours but the warden saw him walk off the range and over the road.

He should appeal that way he pays nothing.

+1 to strting your own thread.

spencer999

Thank you all again, yes that "Skidpan" is a fool!

I have torn up my original ultra-angry letter and I will be following your advice.

I still think it is worth mentioning that the car park company tell an outrageous LIE when they put that "it is an offence..." thing on the sticky envelope. I bet, if it came to a courtroom battle, that a clever lawyer could use that as a reason to get the case kicked out. But that's for others to prove!!!

Custard_Pie

spencer999 wrote: »

I had my rejection letter all ready (The Range, St Helens) but the information on here is making my head spin.

The sticky envelope thingy from Care Parking said "it is an offence for any person other than the driver to remove this notice". Is that true? It was on private land.

Elsewhere on MSE it says you could take the militant route and reject the charge completely, which I was inclined to do, whilst not actually naming the driver. Others are saying exploit the appeals procedure and beat them that way.

I'll try again when I'm awake. BUT - is it true, about it being an "offence"??? Ta.

LOL, no more of an enforceable offence then the invoice itself. It's yet more evidence that these cowboys want you to believe that it's an official parking ticket. If it looks, smells and sounds like an official parking ticket, then people will believe it and pay up. If they displayed it as it actually is, an invoice over an alleged contract breach, no one would give it time of day. So they use elaborate wording such as "parking charge" and the same colours that normal parking tickets do, like yellow.

The_Deep

The very use of these words may itself constitute a criminal offence under The Administration of Justice Act, it is certainly a breach of section 14 of the BPA's own Code of Practice.